is utau worth it anymore?...

miyu

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I'm sorry if this sounds depressing but is utau even worth it anymore? like theres so many utaus out there that are not notice at all and there's so many utau covers it's hard to even find a song that someone hasn't cover already. I mean what do you guys do if someone covers a song you been working on for the longest time? do you use their's? or continue to make yours and make it better than their's? or what
 
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Piia

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I mean what do you guys do if someone covers a song you been working on for the longest time? do you use their's? or continue to make yours and make it better than their's? or what
I think that if you've been working hard on a cover (add the fact you like it yourself), then why back out on such a great project? There were two Tengaku covers with ritsu and one of them stands out more than the other. ^^ I don't exactly see a point to stop making it (if you like it a lot and believe in it)

If not, just use another UTAU to cover the song~! This may be a bit difficult if you're using popular UTAU s (especially Teto ^^:wink: but hey try using others that you feel would fit ^^

though I honestly don't see why you said,
I'm sorry if this sounds depressing but is utau even worth it anymore?
 
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KNΞMΛTCS

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What you're experiencing is saturation - the Utau "marketplace" is a very saturated one. There's so much competition that it's hard to stay afloat. As you mention, there's voicebanks and covers coming out left and right, and many are of exceeding quality. So how do you stand out in all this? One way is to simply outdo them, but unless you spend every waking moment of your life on Utau your efforts will probably be in vain. A more effective approach would be to bring something new to the table - cover songs in a genre nobody's heard of, make voicebanks with unique designs and voices (you're not bound to anime designs after all!)... The sky's the limit. There's a balance here, though - if you get too different from the crowd, nobody will pay attention to you either. Keeping the balance between familiar and unique is key to success. Keep practicing, and good luck.
 

Shasta

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To be completely honest, the main reasons I am here is spite, boredom, and habit. I don't think I could care less about my personal numbers or stats. I don't think I could care less who covered what with who, or who did what when and where. I'm also here because of my small group of UTAU buddies. So to be dead honest, no.. It's really not worth it, and pretty much every idea for UTAU has already been taken. Regardless of how good your work is, someone will be better. No matter how great you think your UTAU is, there is always one better. No matter how much of a good person you think you are, there is always someone talking trash behind your back. Regardless of how popular you get, you're still empty. Emotionally, no. UTAU isn't worth it. As a fun hobby to do for shiz and giggles, yeah, totally. Sounds depressing, but it's the cold truth.
 
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Arissa

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I think utau is worth it. I'm still bringing mine into the world, and even if they don't become popular I'll still make covers. It's not really about the popularity. Sure, being in the ranks of Gahata Meiji or the vipperloids would be great, but even having just a few people that truly appreciate and love my utau like I do would still mean the world ^^ There are plenty of songs that no utau has covered, you just have to find them. Sometimes you don't even have to look. It's just that with popular songs like ERROR and popipo, there tend to be more covers because of 1, how well-known they are, and 2, I'm guessing because there are usts which can make it easier to make a cover of a song that's been covered rather than a song almost no one has covered. And not all song covers are good, for that matter.... Anyway, just make covers of songs you enjoy, and of you want more popularity try various methods, like getting really good art from someone, uploading in abundant places, anything that'll help. To me there's no need to give up ^=^ Unless it just feels like a chore instead of fun.... Just hold what's valuable to you :smile:
 

miyu

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I think that if you've been working hard on a cover (add the fact you like it yourself), then why back out on such a great project? There were two Tengaku covers with ritsu and one of them stands out more than the other. ^^ I don't exactly see a point to stop making it (if you like it a lot and believe in it)

If not, just use another UTAU to cover the song~! This may be a bit difficult if you're using popular UTAU s (especially Teto ^^:wink: but hey try using others that you feel would fit ^^

though I honestly don't see why you said,
well i guess thats try i will keep working on it even though there's a cover already thank you :smile:
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I think utau is worth it. I'm still bringing mine into the world, and even if they don't become popular I'll still make covers. It's not really about the popularity. Sure, being in the ranks of Gahata Meiji or the vipperloids would be great, but even having just a few people that truly appreciate and love my utau like I do would still mean the world ^^ There are plenty of songs that no utau has covered, you just have to find them. Sometimes you don't even have to look. It's just that with popular songs like ERROR and popipo, there tend to be more covers because of 1, how well-known they are, and 2, I'm guessing because there are usts which can make it easier to make a cover of a song that's been covered rather than a song almost no one has covered. And not all song covers are good, for that matter.... Anyway, just make covers of songs you enjoy, and of you want more popularity try various methods, like getting really good art from someone, uploading in abundant places, anything that'll help. To me there's no need to give up ^=^ Unless it just feels like a chore instead of fun.... Just hold what's valuable to you :smile:
thank you i didnt look at it that way :smile:
 

Kiyoteru

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I think the feeling of oversaturation is really only because people are looking at Japanese voicebanks and making covers.
When it comes to producing banks in other languages, or working with music in different ways, there's still plenty of untried ground!
It's not like you're being forced to cover the latest niki song with Namine Ritsu. My current work is based around writing original songs, and I love reclisting. So even if I'm no good at tuning, and even if I can't draw, I still think UTAU is worth doing because the technology is fascinating, and frankly I really hate the current state of Esperanto music. So, I'm fixing that. And there's new developments like Arpasing that get me excited, too!
 

Tomato Hentai

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It might be a good idea to stop doing UTAU for the views/listens and attention a cover will get and instead to do it for yourself and the enjoyment you get out of doing a cover. Of course, I'm not saying "just give up on tuning and do whatever", I'm just saying that if you stop worrying too much about how much attention something is going to get, you might enjoy yourself more, and then UTAU will be worth it to you.
 
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As Kiyoteru said, UTAU is really oversaturated.

But that really only applies to Japanese. English and other languages leave a lot of room for new things, new music, new exploration. So if you're beginning to wonder if UTAU is worth it, why not work on creating content to fill the non-Japanese side?
 

na4a4a

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I would argue that if you have to ask that question then the answer is probably "no".

That being said, if you want to put in the massive effort to differentiate yourself/your voicebank then the answer can become "yes".
 

Sors

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I agrew here with Kiyoteru, although that depends from person to person. If you're okay with your UTAU being just a bit recognised, then yeah UTAU is still worth it, even with japanese VB. However if you're trying to make it big...well Japanese (especially CV) is not the way to make it. A good VCV or CVVC Multipitch bank will surely get more attention, but that doesn't mean it will be recognized. I think if you really want to become popular, and your UTAU to be well known, try out different languages!

Especially since Arpasing! It's a great new way for recording english, and way easier to use, unlike VCCV, which may be easy to record, but hard to oto and use. Have you ever tried converting a CV ust to VCCV? Don't. Use the damn plug in XD.

Now english isn't the only way! There aren't much Korean, German or Russian banks! Don't give up on that; and if you have another native language (Mine is serbian), make a voicebank in said language!

So I'd say...partially. it's partially worth it.
 
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수연 <Suyeon>

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If all you're doing is Japanese libraries, covers of popular producer's songs (that have already saturated major vocasynth outlets with whatever hot topic voice of the hour), and your goal is exposure... No. UTAU is not worth it. There is nothing exciting, unique, or even glance-worthy of the millionth cover of a song that other people are doing/have done.

People want to see things that haven't been done before.

People want to see/listen to languages that generally get neglected.

People want to hear a first attempt at music creation.

In other words, if you're willing to break from the same old 'Nihon sugoi desu!' 'Notice me, senpai~☆¥₩' humdrum, then it can certainly be worth it.
 

MillyAqualine

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To be quite honest, there are ways to stay aboard despite saturation.... As any users said above, go on the other languages, improve your VB quality and content if you feel like it or even make originals

On my side, I was trying to make USTs for some of my fave songs (mainly in French, still a major part in English, and then a few in Spanish, Italian and Chinese) and even if I couldn't finish them yet nor cannot still touch the program atm, I do plan on advancing and releasing them ! Moreover, not all fall necessarily in the current electro mood or simple pop, there are even Latina-sounding ones and I still think it's also a good way to introduce the fandom to some songs. I bet if there wreen't bazillon of UTAU (or even Vocaloid) covers of some Korean and Japanese songs, I wuldn't have improved a bit my knowledge on these, in spite of the second Korean wave bringing back the oldies and releasing the newbies ! Mind you, most of the Japanese pop songs from there and now that I've disocveerd from a few idols was mainly because of my quets to find the mysterious voicer(s) of Kyoko Date. The rest was thanks to synth covers.

Also I put the following in a spoiler because yeah :

These are a few examples of the kind of songs I think about -and enjoy- and I'd like to either make or see an UST from



(For this one I was quite surprised it didn't have had one yet, and I don't think I4ve ever encountered a Vocaloid cover of it either)



So in a nutshell, don't hesitate to try USTs of songs you love ! That can help to outstand and make people discover some songs or remind them ~
 

Nohkara

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I think that UTAU is worth it as long as you enjoy what you do with it and you're proud of your creation to share to people! Sure, you will need to create (nearly) HQ VB with multiple pitches and expressions to get recognized better but even that doesn't quarantee nowadays anything.

Creating VBs for new languages that doesn't have any VB yet OR updating current reclist/methods OR recording a voice type that doesn't exit that language yet (e.g. Let's say that in language xxx all voices are female and you as first one create male voice) is really worth it and I think that different languages makes you connected with new people and making new friends around word!

TBH, I am kinda very obsessed to languages however I don't like to study it in like a "traditional way" like in school's language courses where you learn grammar, vocabulary etc (of course this are important but I find them boring, specially trying memorizing new words).

But in UTAU?? I find that more interesting way to learn languages because I don't need to care about boring grammar and just play with different sounds CV VC CCV VCC CCC etc and stuff. It's like a... math for me?? (I am good at math and like it XD) Reading Wiki articles, "hunting new CC/CCC combination from dictionaries", writing reclists and even oto'ing most of time etc are fun to me :"DD I get a flow when I create a new VB and when I'm finally finished a thing I got a "WOW omg I done it I'm so super woooh" feeling specially with long ones.

It's challenging but fun, it it really awesome when your UTAU can sing in your mother language and you can actually understand it, also that that UTAU sing in language that you can't speak at all is cool as heck too. *heh*

I think that UTAU is worth it
 

naghavi

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utau is worth it as long as you're pushing the potential of the program. like pupuomena said, it's like math. i'm also a linguist so this is pretty far up my alley. it's a highly technical thing for me especially when the language needs a reclist that doesn't even exist yet.

TBH, I am kinda very obsessed to languages however I don't like to study it in like a "traditional way" like in school's language courses where you learn grammar, vocabulary etc (of course this are important but I find them boring, specially trying memorizing new words).

and that's exactly the mindset you should have. it makes me very happy to see someone say that.
 

Soursop the fruit

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Utau still worth it, i believe eventho Ameya don't give updates on the program on these past 3/4 years, utau will still be developed by other users via add-ons, external utau-related software(oremo), recording method(likeVCCV,Arpasing), reclists, tuning method and others

My VB is still in development, i try to not look at how many VBs/covers have been created. What's important is; we have to work hard with the best and think positive, stay on the right track and be creative.

And about music production with utau...utau still worth with this matter too
I'm thinking if college students(moreover those who are on music degree) know utau, i believe they can use it to practice song-making skill since it's free and people are developing it like i said above...They'll create songs with various genres and languages, something people haven't seen much
 
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naghavi

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just the sheer amount of hours we put into this stuff should say enough about its worth, honestly... how far we have come, and we will continue to make new advancements. it's so satisfying. nothing ever satisfied me like trying to improve utau/vocaloid banks and results did.

sorry for the double post ramble, i am just very passionate about it. haha
 

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