I need someone in Vietnamese or know Vietnamese

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  1. Anderson26

    Anderson26 Momo's Minion

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    Since maybe only me or many of member in this forum is Vietnamese.
    I looking for a Vietnamese for too long and all link in Internet is 404!
    So I wanna meet someone is Vietnamese or in Vietnamese, maybe some guy know how to make reclist in different language can help.
    I need someone to make a Vietnamese reclist.
    Plz
     
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  3. Animé Fan

    Animé Fan Head of the Shonen Academy Defender of Defoko

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    I'm Vietnamese-American (though not a proud one), but I've sort of forgotten most of my Vietnamese due to school. :uhm:
     
  4. Anderson26

    Anderson26 Momo's Minion

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    Do you know Vietnamese language?
     
  5. Animé Fan

    Animé Fan Head of the Shonen Academy Defender of Defoko

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    I used to, but due to school, I forgot most of it. That's because I'm not exactly proud of it.
     
  6. Anderson26

    Anderson26 Momo's Minion

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    Oh.
    Thanks for answered.
     
  7. 幸兔雪 (Yukito Yuki)

    幸兔雪 (Yukito Yuki) Defoko's Slaves Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Hello!

    I don't speak any Vietnamese but I think that I can help you to write a simple CVVC 2-mora reclist as long as YOU can speak some Vietnamese yourself and can answer few question what I have in mind (I have made so far Finnish CVVC/VCV and few other Non-Japanese reclist, so I do have experience).

    I have read an article of Vietnamese and it seems to have tones like Chinese... I think that you can ignore tones altogether and record "without tones".

    At least when recordings a Chinese VB you do not record tones because

    1 ) recording a VB would be too long and difficult/complicated
    2 ) it's unnecessary because at least Chinese doesn't use tones while singing plus if you really need to "recreate" tones for e.g. rapping part, you can always use pitch bends to do that work in UST.
    3 ) VB would be difficult to use in UTAU if VB is not recorded in "flat one note"

    Please, send me a personal message for more details etc if you need any my help and advises, thanks!
     
  8. 幸兔雪 (Yukito Yuki)

    幸兔雪 (Yukito Yuki) Defoko's Slaves Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    I was super bored, so I made quick notes for a Vietnamese recording list for required vowels and consonants. IDK if you find this helpful or not but I post them here anyway :v

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  9. Anderson26

    Anderson26 Momo's Minion

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    Idk what the image mean.
    But i understand some part so let's me help you.
    CC/CCC: ch, gh, gi, kh, nh, ng, ph, th, tr, qu.
    Ending consonant: c, ch, m, n, nh, ng, p, t
    Here the website: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Vietnamese/Consonants
    • There are 17 single consonants:
    Vowels Phoneme English equivalent sounds
    b /ɓ/ but
    c /k/ sky
    d /z/ zoo (Northern)
    d /j/ yes (Southern & Central)
    đ /ɗ/ do
    g /ɣ/ go
    h /h/ hat
    k /k/ sky
    l /l/ long
    m /m/ me
    n /n/ no
    p /p/ sport
    q /k/ square
    r /z/ zoo (Northern)
    r /ɹ/ run (Southern & Central)
    s /s/ stay (Northern)
    s /∫/ show (Southern & Central)
    t /t/ stop
    v /v/ video
    x /s/ see


    • There are 11 consonant digraphs:
    Vowels Phoneme English equivalent sounds
    ch /c/ cha-cha
    gh /ɣ/ go
    gi /z/ zoo (Northern)
    gi /j/ yes (Southern & Central)
    kh /x/ loch
    nh /ɲ/ canyon
    ng /ŋ/ sing
    ph /f/ Philip
    th /tʰ/ as in top (aspirated "t"), not as in thin
    tr /c/ cha-cha (Northern)
    tr /ʈʂ/ straw (Southern and Central)
    qu /kw/ square (Northern)
    qu /w/ world (Southern & Central)


    • There are 8 final consonants:
    Vowels Phoneme English equivalent sounds
    c /k/ car
    ch /k/ sick (cut in the South)
    m /m/ me
    n /n/ no
    nh /ɲ/ canyon
    ng /ŋ/ sing
    p /p/ ping pong
    t /t/ top
     
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  10. Animé Fan

    Animé Fan Head of the Shonen Academy Defender of Defoko

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    If an actual Vietnamese reclist comes to be, I wouldn't mind recording one for my own UTAU.
     
  11. Anderson26

    Anderson26 Momo's Minion

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    Good choice!
     
  12. Animé Fan

    Animé Fan Head of the Shonen Academy Defender of Defoko

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    Though I still won't be a proud one.
     
  13. Anderson26

    Anderson26 Momo's Minion

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    Nah, I think about it.
    Don't.
    Vietnamese is really hard to sing in Utau
     
  14. 幸兔雪 (Yukito Yuki)

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    Sorry for late reply! Sorry for confusing, I should explain what I written in my notes!

    UTAU does not support ê ă ô ư đ etc in wav file names or in oto.ini alias, so because of that I think that using X-Sampa based encoding is the best for vowels.

    I found out that Vietnamese has following vowel sounds (if you don't know what each sound are, please check here for IPA vowel chart):

    X-Sampa [IPA]
    a [ a ]
    e [ e ]
    i [ i ]
    o [ o ]
    u [ u ]
    1 [ ɨ ]
    @ [ ə ]
    E [ ɛ ]
    O [ ɔ ]

    I recommend to record all vowel+vowel combinations like in VCV for smooth vowel sounds ("a i", "i E", "@ o" and so on)

    With consonants, I think that you can use "written Vietnamese" as a base but modify it a little.

    This is just my opinion but I would write [kw] sound as "kw" (not as "qu") in reclist, this is because "u" all ready symbolizes [ u ] sound. (this is just my personal taste, tho. You can disagree with this tho)

    I think that I would encode đ as D (or you can use any other symbol like &, up to you).

    To write reclist in "unequivocal" way, one alphabet (a), symbol (@) or symbol combination (ch) can mean only one sound, just like for example VCCV English encoding does.

    "With Northern, Southern or Central pronunciation?"

    I cannot give one answer to that, you can...

    1) record just Northern, Southern or Central sound only. IDK which one is the most "standard" but if you record in just one only then I recommend picking a dialect that is concerned the most "standard" and/or most spoken in Vietnamese. This option will have the least recording (Vietnamese has 9 vowels already which is a huge amount)!

    2) record all dialectical sound but you'll need to think how to encode each consonant carefully.

    Writhing reclist:

    According to the info you told, Vietnamese seems not to be very complicated language to write a reclist (if minus dialect question which I can't give a direct answer). The easiest way to write CVVC reclist is writing is like this: CV+CV(+C)

    For example

    "baba" as ba_ba
    "cacac" as ca_ca_c

    For VV part, record simply v0wel+vowel e.g.

    a_a
    a_i
    a_u
    a_e
    ...
    and so on!

    The best thing what I can add is that test, test and test! Make a quick test recording VB and see how it works. If you find that some sound(s) or sound combination is/are missing, add them and so on.
     
  15. MillyAqualine

    MillyAqualine Ritsu's Renegades Defender of Defoko

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    Awwww, too bad I can't helpmuch =S I did have taught myself a few bit of Vietnamese pronunciation, though it's a bit difficult to me on a very few sounds ...

    I don't rememeber if I've tried yet a reclist of this language... I'd need to search it back in my WiPs folder and if it's decent enough i'll share just for curiosity ;w;"' (Though Pupu's one is way better and has easier encoding / alias for the sounds than my attempts )
     
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