Something I’ve noticed about English Voca/UTAU songs

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  1. RaccoonButler

    RaccoonButler Founder of The Church of Mawarine Shuu Defender of Defoko

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    I know that many English producers primarily look up to the famous Japanese producers in Vocaloid, which isn’t a bad thing necessarily. Often Japanese producers seem to be the only ones doing music with Vocaloid on a proffessional or classically trained scale so there’s a lot to learn from them, however one thing seems to often be overlooked when learning this way.

    Japanese doesn’t have the same sort of stress pattern that English does. For example, in English, if you say the word “turkey”:

    “TURkey”
    Sounds normal and natural, while

    turKEY
    Sounds strange. We naturally put more emphasis on certain syllables or say them longer than the others, which is carried over into English songs.

    Additionally, putting stress on different sounds can change the meaning of the word. For example:

    “Darth Vader decided to crush the rebel soldier.”

    Vs

    “Luke will rebel against his father’s wishes.”

    Japanese doesn’t have the same sort of system, so in songs, words can be arranged differently.

    You can see the way this is in pretty much any English lyric version of a song, as the organization of syllables sounds slightly awkward or unnatural, and often it can sound like too many words are stuffed into one part.

    Ex:


    (Not to pick on any translyricist though, because it’s not due to a lack of their skill but more the limitations with the langauge. Translyricism is hard)

    Original English Voca/UTAU songs I feel often have the same effect. This also tends to contribute to difficulty in understanding the lyrics of the song (in addition to limitations with the vocal synth), and why even though it’s English, it can sound like it’s still another language.

    Aside from being a little grating, this oversight also makes us miss many opportunities for wordplay and different cool/clever things you could do with stress and meter.

    I’m a little blank on examples at the moment but I think the best examples of these types of tricks often come from Rap songs:



    This type of wordplay is also utilized in musicals very often (though again, a little blank on examples at the moment).

    It’s often a little hard to think about, as it is a slightly complicated concept in general, but on top of that we are using singing robots. Because of that, it’s sometimes hard to think of how we would say words naturally in real life.

    But I think if we payed a little more attention to that, it could really help in improving our music.

    Just wanted to point that out since it’s something I noticed
     
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  3. Line Gheist

    Line Gheist Ruko's Ruffians Defender of Defoko

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    the stress pattern often leads to "speed" to compensate for awkwardness. where it could be technically the same syllable tempo but it sounds like it's spat out . i guess the words be like attack and velocity? still really impressive what translators may do to work around this though
     
  4. Kiyoteru

    Kiyoteru Local Sensei Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Absolutely yes! Not even just because "we look up to Japan too much," but just the fact that many of us are amateur songwriters. As English-language lyricists, we need to pay attention to the poetic importance of syllable stress!
     
  5. WinterdrivE

    WinterdrivE Ritsu's Renegades Defender of Defoko

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    This is one of the main reasons why I just don't listen to a lot of English VOCALOID songs. Its really uncomfortable to listen to lyrics when every other word is stressed incorrectly.

    My guess as to why this happens is that a lot of the time the music came first and the lyrics second, and the lyrics were just slapped on to a pre-written melody without the attention to stress and timing they deserved. (and/or a general lack of thought about syllable stress as Kiyoteru said.)
     
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