AHH SOMETHING HAPPENED AGAIN!

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  1. Info-Chan

    Info-Chan SELENA Developer Tutor Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Okay so I have had this problem for a while with MMD. I open the legal Nanami Keko edit made by a Nico Nico User. (IT IS LEGAL!) And then this happens I Need Help With A New Model! by HoneyTheCatRules on deviantART does anyone know how to fix it? I have the same problem with the Nanami Keko made by Circus-P. Please help and THIS IS A LEGAL EDIT! I DID NOT MAKE IT EITHER! I put those in caps so people can understand that is the legal edit and that I did not make it. I especially put "I DID NOT MAKE IT EITHER!" because I tried to get help on VO and someone saw that I needed help, didn't read and thought I made the edit, then they attacked me on DA.
     
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  3. orahi_shiro

    orahi_shiro Ruko's Ruffians Defender of Defoko

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    1. Nanami didn't allow any edit at all. Since the Nanami incident, there shouldn't exist that "Nanami Keko legal edit" or the one made by Circus-P. Using those models again would be opening old wounds and starting drama again. You didn't make it, ok, but I strongly recommend to not use it/delete at all.
    2. Circus-P (if I'm not wrong) already stated that he doesn't want to see Keko again in any format/Fanclub, as it was confirmed on VocaloidOtaku forums reporting a thread.
    3. There should be a bone problem, check that everything is connected how it should but please, erase that model and any "legal Nanami edits" because they are not. owo'
     
  4. Info-Chan

    Info-Chan SELENA Developer Tutor Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    I know this is legal you may not but I do. I only brought Keko up because I need help. I can bring up sources for you that this is 100% legal. Here is proof. The MOST dedicated Keko fan who STILL uses her even posted why he didn't use the legal Keko model Why I don't like the -legal- Nanami Keko by KEdd-P on deviantART (the colors are very off but yeah also you might want to read the description it's hilarious) Here is a comment on the same persons DA from two people stating it is legal

    "This made me lol because there is an official Nanami approved Keko.
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    KEdd-P
    Jul 12, 2012
    it's also blue. and inncorrect. and made from a very old teto.
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    pikachu-must-die
    Aug 7, 2012
    Actually it's not incorrect. It was made for the creator of Kasane Keko and was given permission to be redistributed by Nanami herself. They also created an updated version using the newer Teto with darker green hair and a tie."

    Here is another person who friggin runs a website about MMD and they state it's legal.
    "oh well

    There is a version of Kasane Keko authorized by Nanami."

    Ehem should I go on? I will pull up every single comment about it being legal because it is. Just please don't even come to this and yell at me because I love Keko. Also nothing will ever change that. (Don't forgethe fans that she has that still use her to keep her alive) EDIT: And I know that the one I have is legal because it has "blue hair" I also can pull up a Japanese MMD Cup using the model so that should be enough proof I will post a link in a second
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    Okay I fixed it I checked it out in PMD Editor and on her chest bone there was a joint that should not have been there lol
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    Wait I tried to make her dance to Romeo And Cinderella (I'm making a PV) and her body messed up again DX I can post a screenshot of her bones and stuff in PMD
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 14, 2014 ---
    Here is the picture of her in PMD Editor http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/287/3/0/new_bitmap_image_by_honeythecatrules-d82sexo.jpg
     
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  5. orahi_shiro

    orahi_shiro Ruko's Ruffians Defender of Defoko

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    I'll say what I say always on this type of problems: show me a tweet/mail from Nanami allowing the redistribution of the edit.

    Why? Because Nanami allows edit if you ask her and redistribution of that edit if you ask her as well so we need a real proof.
    I'm afraid I won't be able to help you until we get real confirmation that this user had Nanami's permission to redistribute and that it is legal.

    EDIT: I've asked some people who have been more than 4 years in the Japanese MMD fandom to see if it's legal or not. Remember that one of the reasons why Nanami decided to stop distribution of her models is because of this model.
     
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  6. Info-Chan

    Info-Chan SELENA Developer Tutor Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Okay give me a translated message and I will go straight to Nanami's email and ask her if it's legal. Also what does this mean it's the desc of the vid

    ハルヒ風に続いて毛子さんも再現してみた モデル公開readmeも読んでくださいねw  http://www9.atpages.jp/~mmdaccessory/uploader/log/340.zip v5対応(多分) モーションなどはVPVP wikiにあるものを借りて来ました youtube matt9five氏 Kasane Keko - YouTube  ・・・・・過去作品(mylist/7012923
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    Okay so I tweeted Nanami saying "Is this approved?" then put a link to the model
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    I also accidentally tweeted only "Is this approved?"
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    Also the edit was made by a Japanese person. I am saying this because most people blame everything on the Western side. I know this is legal though so I just have to wait for Nanami to reply I also sent it in Japanese so she will understand what it says.
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    also stuff in "" are not my words they are other people's words I just copied and pasted them :3
     
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  7. orahi_shiro

    orahi_shiro Ruko's Ruffians Defender of Defoko

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    It doesn't say anything about Nanami's confirmation. It just says that he tried to follow "Haruhi's style"/talking about the motion and that you should read the readme file that comes with the model (that doesn't give proof of Nanami's consent).
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    "Also the edit was made by a Japanese person. I am saying this because most people blame everything on the Western side. I know this is legal though so I just have to wait for Nanami to reply I also sent it in Japanese so she will understand what it says."


    MMD illegal editors are worldwide and this edit is 5 years old. By that time rules were not established enough so it has high probabilities of being illegal.
     
  8. Info-Chan

    Info-Chan SELENA Developer Tutor Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    I know the first one I looked it up after I posted (I tend to do that)

    Also I'm just saying that because there are people who blame the entire western side. I also see edits made by Japanese people all the time and Nanami is like okay yet English users are treated like trash when it comes to editing.
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    Heck I didn't know about VOCALOID/UTAU/MMD until last year (I wonder if I can get Nanami's permission to make a Keko edit)
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    OH MAI GOSH NANAMI IS MAKING A NEW TETO AND IT IS KAWAII DESU!
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 14, 2014, Original Post Date: Oct 14, 2014 ---
    can you at least say whats wrong?
     
  9. 수연 <Suyeon>

    수연 <Suyeon> Your friendly neighborhood koreaboo trash Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Dude, you should seriously give up on all things Nanami Keko. Seriously, just stop. No one is going to help you with it since no one wants it back in any form (voice, image, mmd), not VO, not here, not the creator. Let it go.
     
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  10. Info-Chan

    Info-Chan SELENA Developer Tutor Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    it's just a 3D Model if you don't want anything to do with it then don't post here
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 14, 2014, Original Post Date: Oct 14, 2014 ---
    what does this say? I found it in a readme for the model.
    !!重ね毛子モデルデータ

    ななみ氏の重音テト改変モデルです。
    要望や問い合わせはななみ氏にはしないでください

    重ね毛子の考案者 matt9five氏
    http://www.youtube.com/user/matt9five

    2次転載、商業利用、18禁に類するような使用はおやめください。
    MikuMikuDance作者の樋口氏やモデル製作者のななみ氏のご迷惑にならない範囲でのご使用をお願いいたします。


    重ね毛子テクスチャをななみ氏にいただきました
    有難う御座います。


    +   +
      ∧_∧  +
     (0゚・∀・)
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    修正
     後頭部がマダラになっていたのを修正
     物理演算対応
     乳バージョン追加&乳揺れ




    もし苦情などがありましたら天使炎まで

    のコメントにお願いします
     
  11. HiddenVenia

    HiddenVenia Ruko's Ruffians Defender of Defoko

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    Jesus H. Christ.

    Why should anyone help you get this model to work when you refuse to acknowledge that Circus-P, the creator of Keko doesn't want anything new of Keko to be done?

    Accept that Keko is officially dead.

    P.S. I decided to come say something after you made a status whining about it. You basically pointed a finger here, so I thought I should stop by.
     
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  12. orahi_shiro

    orahi_shiro Ruko's Ruffians Defender of Defoko

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    This model is indeed illegal, as I got confirmation from Damesukekun (a trusted Japanese user) that "Nanami's Teto is non-editable. In addition TwinDrill does not approve any Teto fanloid except for Ted, and Keko is rarely known here."

    If you want to wait to Nanami's confirmation you can, but this model does not follow Nanami's rules so I can't help you on anything related to this. I also recommend you again to erase the model to avoid drama.
     
  13. na4a4a

    na4a4a Outwardly Opinionated and Harshly Critical Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Why can't the child let the thing die?

    There are legal issues involved, with both the model AND the voice. You refuse to accept and learn- you are an embodiment of ignorance.
    If you want help, help yourself, we will be here to fuel the flames.
     
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  14. Info-Chan

    Info-Chan SELENA Developer Tutor Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Well I fixed it by using the old version 7 of MMD but I am now going to use the Animasa Keko that IS legal until I get confirmation.
     
  15. na4a4a

    na4a4a Outwardly Opinionated and Harshly Critical Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Keko isn't legal AT ALL
     
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  16. Info-Chan

    Info-Chan SELENA Developer Tutor Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Keko is a fanloid of Len who's design is based on Teto but there is differences.
    Keko has longer drills
    she has a play button on her back
    she has a tie not buttons
    she does not have the UTAU badge
    Her boots are knee high not hip high
    her boots have triangular cuffs.
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    just because her first appearance was made with Polkaloid does NOT mean she is illegal. I'm not even using the Nanami edit at all in fact I deleted it unless I get proof from Nanami herself that it is legal
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 14, 2014 ---
    *Polkaloid
     
  17. MillyAqualine

    MillyAqualine Ritsu's Renegades Defender of Defoko

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    Nah Watakashi, what they are meaning is that in fact, Nanami released models a whiiiile ago

    Among those models there were the three Utagirls, Luna (?)... And among others, there was Keko as, being a Teto derivative, was getting a model being in fact just a mod of the Nanami!Teto

    Due to people not respecting Nanami's rules, she decided to not allowing them to get her models or edit them

    Meaning the Nanami!Defoko was illegal, such as the Nanami!Teto and... Nanami!Keko of course, as by beng a mod, she'd go as illegal as Teto's model itself


    So yeah, wait for Nanami's thoughts about it, but please, don't DL the illegal model... And if the "legal" one seems off,you can still commission someone to make an entirely legal model ade from scratch... Though yeah, as even matt doesn't want Keko to come back, I don't think it'll be helpful ._."'
     
  18. MystSaphyr

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    It's best to avoid all Nanami model edits to avoid this type of thing, honestly.
    CircusP has said repeatedly he doesn't want to deal with Keko anymore, and seriously, just because something's on Nico doesn't automatically make it a legal edit.

    From what I understand the "要望や問い合わせはななみ氏にはしないでください" literally says "please do not make an inquiry to Nanami about this" which is incredibly suspicious.

    Locking this thread, Nanami edits have caused enough issues in the past as it is and Keko has been declared an officially dead character by her own creator.
     
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