I don't understand glottal stops and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

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  1. LilyoftheValley

    LilyoftheValley Your local flower girl Defender of Defoko

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    I've been in the UTAU community since 2015 and I still don't know how glottal stops and breaths are done (and or any of the other ones I'm not mentioning. Is there a list?)
    What reclists are used? (sources?)
    How in the world do you use them in a UST??
    Is there an oremo reclist for Renri's reclist? Or Anna Nyui?
    I'm so confused


    I should also mention that multiple pitch banks are confusing in general. How do you oto it? This is just a question dump at this point
     
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  3. Kiyoteru

    Kiyoteru Local Sensei Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    Glottal Stops

    Glottal stops are a phoneme like any other consonant. They feature as an integral part of words in some languages, but for English and Japanese at least, they're only a stylistic variation of pronunciation. You would use them whenever you need a quick break between two vowels, instead of connecting them smoothly. In English, one example phrase is "uh-oh". The break between the two syllables is a glottal stop.

    You can add them to a voicebank in CVVC or VCV form. Theoretically, you could also do them in CV by reconfiguring the OTO for vowels. You would treat the start of the vowel as if it were a consonant instead of setting a long crossfade so that the vowels can blend together. This assumes that you pronounced the vowel with a more sudden/immediate beginning, and it won't work if you pronounce it by gradually fading in.

    Short CVVC
    a'a
    i'i
    u'u
    e'e
    o'o
    n'n
    For each of these samples, you'd oto the VC from the end of the first syllable, and the CV from the beginning of the second syllable.

    Long CVVC
    a'i'u'e'o'n'a
    This would be broken down into [a']['i][i']['u][u']['e][e']['o][o']['n][n']['a].

    VCV
    You can simply use the vowel-only strings from an existing reclist, but instead of connecting each vowel smoothly, you'd have a short break between each of them.

    I'm not sure what the standard aliasing is for glottal stops, but I personally use [a'][i'][u'][e'][o'][n'] for VC and ['あ]['い]['う]['え]['お]['ん] for CV.
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    Breaths

    In general, there are a couple styles of breaths. One is inhales, which you would use right before the beginning of a line of lyrics. The other is exhales, which are often attached to the previous note at the very end of a line.

    To record inhales, I would recommend actually singing a song in the same tone of voice as the voicebank. Then, go through the whole recording, and cut out individual breaths. That way, you'll get a natural breathing sound that will fit with singing vocals, rather than an isolated exaggerated breathing sound.
    When using inhales, do not put them in the UST itself unless you specifically want resampler distortion. Due to the way Windows UTAU works, it's also very difficult to adjust the timing of breaths in a UST. You should add them during the mixing stage of your cover or original. To determine when and where to use breaths, try singing the song to yourself and noticing when you need to breathe.

    Exhales, when attached to vowels, are called end breaths. The easiest way to record them is to record vowel strings like usual, but exhale at the end. Then, when OTOing, you just duplicate the line from the last vowel in the string, change the alias, and adjust the parameters. They're OTO'd like VC samples. For aliases, there's a million different ways that people do them, but I personally prefer [a hh][i hh][u hh][e hh][o hh][n hh]. When using end breaths, they would go after the last note in a line of lyrics.
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    Extracting reclists

    If you'd like to extract the reclist from an existing voicebank using OREMO, open up that voicebank as the destination folder, then use this option.
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    Then you can Save Voice List to save the generated reclist as a new text file, and change the destination folder to use that list for your own voicebank.
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    Multipitch OTOs

    Add a suffix to the alias of each pitch. Let's say for example you just have L for low, M for middle, and H for high. If you have a [e か] in your low pitch, you would change the alias to [e かL] instead. However, if you've already finished a really long OTO, it would be very tedious to individually add these suffixes. You can use Setparam instead to automatically add suffixes. Right click in the spreadsheet window and choose Change Aliases. The renaming rule would be "%aL" if you want to add the L suffix to everything.

    Once everything is suffixed, you can set up the prefix map. In UTAU, go to Tools > Edit prefix map. You can select multiple notes on the left, then type in the appropriate suffix for those notes and click Set. Once you've set all of the pitches, click OK.
     
  4. LilyoftheValley

    LilyoftheValley Your local flower girl Defender of Defoko

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    Thank you so much! This is super helpful
     
  5. LilyoftheValley

    LilyoftheValley Your local flower girl Defender of Defoko

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    What are these considered in a reclist? I don't think this is tuning, but it possibly could be. I'm not sure what Renri voicebank Police Piccadilly used. https://clyp.it/1qyyfoky

    Is this a glottal stop? I honestly don't even know what they sound like in UTAU and or if Renri or Anna Nyui has them? They seem to have a lot of notes like these but I never know if it's tuning or the voicebank itself
     
  6. Haichou

    Haichou Tutor Tutor Defender of Defoko

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    If you're referring to the noise after the rest, that's vocal fry. It's not really a glottal stop, but you could think of it as a drawn-out one...? I don't know how to explain what it is or how to do it, sorry ^^;

    Renri's alias for it is [- x'], like [- あ'] or [- い']. Same with Anna Nyui (for her "raw" bank, at least). That's the most common alias for it that I've seen, followed by [- xF]!
     
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    LilyoftheValley Your local flower girl Defender of Defoko

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    Thank you!! I was mixing the two up and I couldn't remember the name. I've been MIA from the UTAU community for about a year so I'm forgetting all of the terminology.
     

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