Arpasing struggles?

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My sister is trying to record an arpasing voicebank for UTAU. We are using Arpasing 0.2.0 and moresampler 0.8.3. We have recorded the core list, as well as the n gram coverage. We cannot figure out how to load the comment file for the isolated vowels list (and this specific list alone), and thus are lost and stuck with only numbers that are meaningless. We also have used moresampler to generate a temporary oto, but it doesn't play through with a single UST. There are always notes missing, and we aren't sure how or why, especially seeing as these silent recordings don't seem like "isolated vowels". For example, one of these notes is "k ay1". We are at a loss as she was very excited to record an English voicebank, and now we cannot seem to get it to work. Back when I recorded test arpasing stuff, I never had these problems.
 

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tbh I wouldn't bother with the comment file in oremo. I can never get them to work. What I do instead is I have oremo on half the screen, then I open up the comment file (or the index file) in notepad on the other half.

As for the missing sounds, it could just be that that particular number doesn't exist. did you say yes to numbering duplicated samples when you generated the oto? If you didn't, it'll leave all the duplicates identical, so there won't be "k ay", "k ay1", "k ay2" etc; they'll all just be "k ay". Kiyoteru has a tool on this page (under PaintedCZ's list) that'll number them for you if you didn't get moersampler to. (it'll also limit duplicates to a certain number if you don't want 150 [n]s.)
 
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tbh I wouldn't bother with the comment file in oremo. I can never get them to work. What I do instead is I have oremo on half the screen, then I open up the comment file (or the index file) in notepad on the other half.

As for the missing sounds, it could just be that that particular number doesn't exist. did you say yes to numbering duplicated samples when you generated the oto? If you didn't, it'll leave all the duplicates identical, so there won't be "k ay", "k ay1", "k ay2" etc; they'll all just be "k ay". Kiyoteru has a tool on this page (under PaintedCZ's list) that'll number them for you if you didn't get moersampler to. (it'll also limit duplicates to a certain number if you don't want 150 [n]s.)
HOLY smokes, I bet it is because I haven't had moresampler rename the duplicate files!

I dunno. I struggle with arpasing vowels - I have to equate them to Cz's list to even grasp them.
 

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i believe you can open them both at once in oremo if you go to "load type list" -- conversely having the numbers file as the main reclist.
i personally do not use oremo, and for my arpasing banks i did not either-- so, i can't really specify any solutions to issues in regards to recording itself....

but, for audacity recording and off of that, ummm my files had lots of space in front of them- maybe try to do that?? i don't really know, hah,,,
 

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HOLY smokes, I bet it is because I haven't had moresampler rename the duplicate files!

I dunno. I struggle with arpasing vowels - I have to equate them to Cz's list to even grasp them.
I struggled to remember hh and jh (cuz I wanna type just h and j), and ah and uh, since in written English "ah" usually represents Arpabet "aa" and written "uh" usually represents Arpabet "ah"

Like all phonetic alphabets it takes some time to get used to, but you'll remember it real quick as you use it. That said, you might already be using it, but there's a chart for Arpasing to VCCV phonemes here.

I struggle with Cz's list because of all the weird numbers and basically all the lowercase letters. Its easy enough to remember that capital letters are pronounced the same as the letter names, but as someone who learned X-SAMPA and IPA first, the lowercase letters and numbers have no correlation to their pronunciation to me. I actually just watched Cz's pronunciation tutorial video today to try to figure them out a little better XD
 
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I struggled to remember hh and jh (cuz I wanna type just h and j), and ah and uh, since in written English "ah" usually represents Arpabet "aa" and written "uh" usually represents Arpabet "ah"

Like all phonetic alphabets it takes some time to get used to, but you'll remember it real quick as you use it. That said, you might already be using it, but there's a chart for Arpasing to VCCV phonemes here.

I struggle with Cz's list because of all the weird numbers and basically all the lowercase letters. Its easy enough to remember that capital letters are pronounced the same as the letter names, but as someone who learned X-SAMPA and IPA first, the lowercase letters and numbers have no correlation to their pronunciation to me. I actually just watched Cz's pronunciation tutorial video today to try to figure them out a little better XD
I think it's more a matter of VCCV and Cz's system being my normal. I've been playing with VCCV since the day it was released, so I know the phonemes like the back of my hand. I have absolutely had to use that phoneme chart to decipher the arpasing reclist for my sister, hoh.

There is one minor error in the phoneme chart. Cz's list doesn't use 4 for er, it uses 3.
 
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HOH JEEZ WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE SHOW ME SOONER AAAA




EDIT: The chart has been fixed. Sorry if the previous chart caused confusion to anyone!


It's alright! I spent 20 or 30 minutes going through oto files to double check for certain that there was no use of 4, and then realized too late that 3 was missing from the list as a whole, hoh.
 

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