Quick question on 'hu' & 'fu'

[Corben69Max]

Ok so going over a few vcv' I've been studying over, I noticed that the 'hu' & 'fu' have the same hiragana, is that right? I had assumed that if the words 'hu' & 'fu' would be listed seperate in a reclist then there would be two different hiragana for them. Is this just a mistake of the owner of the vcv' I'm using or is this right?

 

[Zoku]

Technically yes—hu and fu are phonetically the same in Japanese, so occasionally you might some people type "fu" instead of "hu" in romaji interpretations. They're the same and most native Japanese speakers type and say "fu" (I believe).

 

[Corben69Max]

Technically yes—hu and fu are phonetically the same in Japanese, so occasionally you might some people type "fu" instead of "hu" in romaji interpretations. They're the same and most native Japanese speakers type and say "fu" (I believe).

Alright then, thank you

 

[na4a4a]

For the record, the "f" sound in Japanese is similar to how you would...blow out candles on a cake.
But hu and fu and considered the same in Japanese.

 

[Zurui]

The Japanese consonant in "fu" (ふ) is called a voiceless bilabial fricative, represented as a ɸ. Think of ɸ as making an English F sound without using your teeth, and purely with your lips. Because the consonant sounds for "f" and "h" in Japanese are definitely different, the "hu" sound is viable, but simply doesn't exist because of how native speakers actually speak. Simply put, the vowel that the consonant is directly attached to affects how the consonant is said because the lips are shaped in the form of the vowel before the consonant is said.

I've been using ほぅ to describe "hu" when I record, although it's only really needed for CVVC and the like (VCCV, CVVCV, etc.).

(sorry for ranting about my theories about language, the subject is sort of my savvy)

 

[Corben69Max]

The Japanese consonant in "fu" (ふ) is called a voiceless bilabial fricative, represented as a ɸ. Think of ɸ as making an English F sound without using your teeth, and purely with your lips. Because the consonant sounds for "f" and "h" in Japanese are definitely different, the "hu" sound is viable, but simply doesn't exist because of how native speakers actually speak. Simply put, the vowel that the consonant is directly attached to affects how the consonant is said because the lips are shaped in the form of the vowel before the consonant is said.

I've been using ほぅ to describe "hu" when I record, although it's only really needed for CVVC and the like (VCCV, CVVCV, etc.).

(sorry for ranting about my theories about language, the subject is sort of my savvy)

Thank you for the details, it helps me understand it better.