What do you want as an editor

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  1. Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP)

    Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP) Teto is love, Teto is life (Rin too) Defender of Defoko

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    Hello, I'm Pikachuk (yes since the beginning my username here is a typo lol), I was at first starting to port FVSS to .NET Core, but after thinking about it, I ended up thinking about making a whole new software in C++
    The software would run on Windows, Linux, macOS and Android phones (for iPhones, I'll have to look at it in the future because atm it may be complicated to think about it, after all, developping for iPhones is around 100$/year)

    But since I want to make an editor that is efficient and intuitive to use,
    I wanted to ask to the community : What do you want exactly,
    for instance, how do you want note input to work, how do you want the pitch to work,
    the best would be some drawings/schemas with some description that could help me to understand exactly what you all would like as an editor
    if you have an idea about how the whole software would look like, drawings would really help me in order to make the software this way

    From my own experience, I already know that I want the UI to allow easily to move and draw notes freely without the limitations of the UTAU editor, I prefer the way Piapro does it
    when it comes to the UI, the color scheme will be customisable but the default one will be black, the color scheme will be mostly inspired by the FVSS one
    I want too to implement native japanese-romaji conversion on the renderer that would allow UTAU without japanese/romaji aliases to still sing a japanese/romaji ust, implementing some dictionnaries that would automatically convert words to syllabs etc
    I want too to implement something a bit like OREMO directly integrated in the editor and the ability to download resamplers,plugins and UTAU in only one click (as long as the creators allowed it, it would work by automatically downloading from the official link the UTAU/Plugin and placing it where required)

    the editor would allow to use windows only wavtool/resampler by using wine natively on macOS and Linux
    but since for phones it would be complicated since they use ARM, I'll still try to contact some resampler creators in order to get the source code to port them natively to the platforms

    name wise, I haven't found a name yet for the software, so if you have suggestions...
     
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  3. Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP)

    Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP) Teto is love, Teto is life (Rin too) Defender of Defoko

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    btw for android obviously the UI would have some tweaks to make it easy to use, like zooming with the fingers and easy buttons to switch of mode
     
  4. susrever

    susrever Teto's Territory Defender of Defoko

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    Mhh, most importantly I would like the on note point tuning method utau has to stay. I mean, I've grown so used to it over the years that I quite like it more than Vocaloid and Vsynth tuning stile and it's still something that's unique to UTAU nowadays. Also, Utau-synth like Envelope editor would be appreciated, too.

    Multitab would be nice and a multi track mode like Vocaloid's would be awesome. (Even without the integrated mixer, which, imoh, is uselesess because I like to mix on the DAW of my choice and mixing in editor seems limiting. Backtrack .wav playing abilty, on the other hand, would be useful.)

    I appreciate the fact that you are working so hard on making it Android compatible, but then again, I hope this synth you are making is overall more focused on the desktop app. Sure, phones nowadays are cool and more powerful and everything but it's just too impratical to zoom and tune on them. On a tablet? Yeah, maybe, but I'm gonna have to use my PC to mix either way, so I'm not gonna use a more unpractical mobile version. Also, vbs take up a lot of space and I don't want my phone to be hogged up.

    Python scripts support would be nice.

    The biggest problem, imo, is implementing a way to automatically decompress the voicebanks in-editor (like drag and dropping) with the right encoding, without having still to change the locale. I mean, jp > romanji automatic conversion looks cool but if I can't still use it if the voicebank of my choice has been decompressed in mojibake it is ...useless. (Sadly, while some voicebanks nowadays are encoded in UTF-8, most are still in SHIF-JIS.) I know it's hard (maybe impossible?) to implement but...that would be the deal breaker for me. Like, whatever, I don't care, I would pay for this function.

    Those are the things I'd like to see in an editor. Obviously, those are wishes and some might be unrealizable. Still, I wish you all the best and hope this new synth becomes a hit!
     
  5. Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP)

    Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP) Teto is love, Teto is life (Rin too) Defender of Defoko

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    When it comes to the focus, don't worry, my focus is still the desktop environment
    multitab is one of the things I planned since the beginning, so yeah
    I'd like to add a kind of "prerendering" of a base note too that could allow to have the "la" or "a" note play when we are moving a note like vocaloid or piapro
    about the automatic decompression in the right format, it's doable, I could probably make a window appear prompting the user asking if it's a shift-jis vb or a utf-8 one

    when it comes to the point tuning, well I don't really know, I guess I could maybe implement both systems, but it's not my first focus since before implementing it, I'll have to first create the UI in itself
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 5, 2018 ---
    oh and for python script support, I don't really know, I'm planning to add a plugin support but I'm not really sure about the language I'll use for them, I'd probably more use lua for external scripts than python because python tends to be a bit of a pain sometimes with the way it works
     
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  6. SaySansy121

    SaySansy121 Momo's Minion

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    Hey ummm.....
    How's the synth going?
    :creepy:
     
  7. Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP)

    Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP) Teto is love, Teto is life (Rin too) Defender of Defoko

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    well since I didn't get a lot of answers, atm I didn't really work on it
    I contributed a bit to utsu though, and still plan to contribute more
     
  8. Reson_Lore

    Reson_Lore Lord Of Edge Defender of Defoko

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    Will there be plugin support? I use a lot of plugins to help with using UTAU (sight issues make it hard to use) so will they be supported or no?
     
  9. SaySansy121

    SaySansy121 Momo's Minion

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    Ah I see :O
    Well.....I hope that,the mobile utau will be worked on ^^"
    (Also I think I should dl Utsu if possible)
     
  10. MillyAqualine

    MillyAqualine Ritsu's Renegades Defender of Defoko

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    Unicode installer so everyone on Earth can install it without changing the locale. Oh pretty PLEASE. T^T
     
  11. ChibusChubus

    ChibusChubus Momo's Minion

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    I'd say the auto-vcv function from UTAU-synth would be an amazing feature to have (basically you can make a japanese vcv utau sing a japanese cv ust without needing to add the prefixes and stuff though I'm not entirely sure if this is already a thing in windows UTAU)
     
  12. 幸兔雪 (Yukito Yuki)

    幸兔雪 (Yukito Yuki) Defoko's Slaves Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    No rest notes as they’re annoying.

    If you plan other languages than Japanese, I wish that it has build-in auto CVVC plug-in like system or Presamp (Presamp is an another plug-in for CVVC. You can use just CV UST but it automatically uses is at CVVC even tho VC are invisible. If wanted to edit VC, you have to draw VC manually and edit that’s length. The best thing of this is that you can even make this work with romaji and non-Japanese languages).

    I would like to have instrument/karaoke track like in Vocaloid, so I can hear immediately if my vocal tuning fits with the rest.

    What kind of tuning system have you think for this project? Is it more Vocaloid or UTAU-like? Or perhaps a combination of this two?

    BTW Is this going to be an UTAU clone/replacement or own synth?
     
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  13. Reson_Lore

    Reson_Lore Lord Of Edge Defender of Defoko

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    It is on shareware Win-UTAU
     
  14. Avalia-Kasa

    Avalia-Kasa probably a potato tbh Supporter Defender of Defoko

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    ((idk if you're still wanting suggestions))

    I know nothing about coding, but regarding the interface itself things that I want, some have already been said:
    • on-note tuning - I'd actually love to get rid of the control point system entirely and make it so that you can draw them in, sort of like the extended pitch editor plugin. It makes it easier to focus on pitch rather than worry about changing the envelopes etc. and the control point limit hurts me when I do custom vibrato
    • DYNAMICS PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ENVELOPES IS SO RESTRICTIVE (if you can on-note too that'd be amazing but i have no idea how that'd work)
    • I don't like Synth V's engine personally but I do love that there's a tension parameter so that would be cool to have too!!
    • an easier way for users to do non-CV languages: for example, have a user dictionary you can put words in so when you put in lyrics it will remember the way you want the note to be broken up in phonetics
    • adding onto the above, if possible have it so you can have end consonants in an oto as well ("end" utterance? idk)
    • please remove oto limit or have a way around it (oto limits per pitch is ok but ???)
    basically my #1 priorities are language support & tuning but if the engine noise is super obvious i might stray away from the software tbh
    user dictionaries would be a gift from god, especially since some people pronounce things differently or depending on genre.
    imagine. an indie dictionary. a country dictionary. an early music dictionary. the possibilities are endless,,
     
  15. Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP)

    Pikachuk(SeleDreamsP) Teto is love, Teto is life (Rin too) Defender of Defoko

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    that was one of my main thoughts for it

    I was planning to add something similar like what I talked about to allow romaji UTAU to sing hiraganas usts, the same for vcv/cv usts

    about the instrument thing, I was still hesitating for the software between making it standalone like utau, or making it a vst like piapro, since it would make it easier to work in real time on a song with it, for the tuning system, I was thinking about something similar to piapro,since that's what I mainly use for vocaloids


    I think that I will take some times to start the project though since I have a game development project actually so at the moment I'll still mostly focus on contributing to UTSU, and start the project once I'll be ready
     
  16. SaySansy121

    SaySansy121 Momo's Minion

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    ok so my mom updated my pc to windows 10 and....
    can you plsssss make an exe version of utsu?
    like, utau wont work in my pc and I fricked up java and I cant open the .jar file(even with the bat technique):bigtears:
     
  17. Dangosan

    Dangosan Jerboa angel of Light Defender of Defoko

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    @SaySansy121 You have to reinstall JRE, assuming your mother performed a clean install.
     
  18. SaySansy121

    SaySansy121 Momo's Minion

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    @Dangosan oh oki! :3:creepy:
    I'll try!thx!
     

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