vcv vs cv voicebank

[Puppykishin]

hello everyone, i was wondering if my utau's voicebank should be cv or vcv because i know what they both are and i was wondering which one would be better

 

[Ant]

VCV is more realistic, but also more work. It's your choice, really.

 

[OngakuCD]

It depends on how much you are willing to put into making a voicebank.

If you just want to create a VB that can be done in an hour or two, the go for CV. There are CV voicebanks with high quality

If you want a voicebank thats more realistic and smoother, the go for VCV. However there is a lot of recording and oto.ini required. I've seen most people take a few weeks to a month to complete.

 

[Fawkesy]

This is simple.
Do both.
Sure it's more work, but it ends up being a bit more versatile than one by itself.

 

[Cdra]

Do both indeed!  I personally think it's better to do the CV then the VCV, just so you can be sure everything works in the smaller format, but if you want to jump straight into both go for it.

 

[irei1as]

Use other people voicebanks first and check how they are made. Listen directly the .wav files, too.
CV is faster so if everything ends "not right" the time spend in learning and re-doing the samples is smaller.
But, well, you can do learning curve with VCV if you just start testing with the first samples. Also VCV is quite different and you need a bit more of understanding of vital tools of UTAU like crossfade, envelopes and advanced oto aliasing so in the end you may as well know the program better.

 

[Yue Nagareboshi]

I would say:

1) Start with a CV; this will make you practice the phonetics if you are new into this. CV's are faster to fix if you have a sample wrong than a whole VCV string. Also the number of oto settings you'll need to configure are less and that's less stressful to new users.

2) If you want to add a plus to your CV, you can record VVs. VV (vowel-vowel) are recorded like VCV strings (aaiauea) or dipthongs (ae, ai, ao, au, an). These will make the vowel transitions more natural than the crossfade tool used in CV's.

3) If you already dominate phonetics and you can keep your pitch; go for VCVs. VCV strings can be also used to configure CVs, so you can use one bank for ust's in both methods.

There are mere recomendations... I have seen people who debuted in UTAU directly as VCV banks (Sorane Rana), but I will recommend you to start with a CV to not feel so confused about the program and the configurations themselves.

 

[TheSnowSongstress]

Pros and cons of CV:
Pros~
-Less Recording
-Less Otoing
-Works better with certain songs (Some songs just sound better with CV)
-smaller file

Cons~
-Less Smooth MORE OFTEN
- Generally Less Realistic

Pros and cons of VCV:
Pros~
-Usually More Realistic depending on mic quality
-Smoother if oto'd right

Cons~
- More recording
- More otoing
- Larger File
- Won't work if pronunciation changed too much within the bank
-Larger file