Cyber Diva, Cyber Songman, VY1, VY2, Lola and Leon, they does not have character art but they still sell in the community. Since the goal of Soho is to spread vocal synth outside of this community, I think it's a good move to not have a cartoony character on the box.But the facts are outside of the vocaloid and co community they dont sell.
Ok, then we may need to reconsider things. What do you suggest should be possible, beyond the normal operation of the plugin? And what would prevent users to create their own characters, based on our voices? Genuine questions here, I'm really not that familiar with this scene.
I think that if not with the voices, having personifications/designs that people could use with the voices is a good idea. You dont need to put it on the box, and even if you do you don't need a cartoony anime design, you can always have a semi-realism design. The most notable Vocaloid that's been mainstream and still has a design is Avanna, so it's not like it's a turnoff to non-vocaloid fans anyways. Fan designs just create a lot of bickering and controversy tbhOk, then we may need to reconsider things. What do you suggest should be possible, beyond the normal operation of the plugin? And what would prevent users to create their own characters, based on our voices? Genuine questions here, I'm really not that familiar with this scene.
So, to summarize, most of vocaloid without a design flopped with the expections of VY1, Miriam, Cyber Songman and Cyber Diva. BUT we may ask ourselves, does a character design makes a vocal synth sells super well? The answer is no. Chika, Sonika, Zola project, CUL, Arsloid and Gachapoid are good examples of that.VY1 sells because YAMAHA promotes her excessively, she has a release on every software they have. But on top of this, they've had numerous competitions where people have made "official" characters the vocal. VY2, however, does not sell. VY2's "popularity" is largely made up of people who fangirl over the Roro character and his V2 bank was one of the most pocaloided V2 banks which damaged his sales. He also has yet to see an update, which further confirms that he didn't do well.
LEON and LOLA made 0 impact as a software, especially in America, as noted by Crypton. In fact, for a long period, all of the V1 English trio were not able to be purchased because of the lack of interest. The only reason that LEON is semi-popular is because of the song made with him on NND, True to My Heart, which featured a design. While MIRIAM is sold out of codes, LEON and LOLA have an abundance left, which further proves my point.
Cyber Diva and Cyber Songman, again; their "popularity" is largely owed to the character art made by fans, demos created by popular users who embrace that art, and the fact they're part of the VY series (riding off of VY1's popularity.)
MIRIAM is the only Vocaloid, specifically English and not from a multi-billion company, that has proved to have done well, by her running out of codes left. But even then we don't know how many were left and just like Leon, people love Miriam because they love the "image" she has as a product. (Her personification.)
Which is why I said even a non-anime design would do well too.Those kind of producers are looking for instruments, not characters and I don't think that an anime/cartoony design will sit well with westerners.
To conclude, even if you get a design, Julian and Lucy won't be garantied to sell well. Also people in the community don't care about official designs, they'll make one if they want!
Which is why I said even a non-anime design would do well too.
What makes a vocal synth popular has been hotly debated for years. Something that might help you greatly is checking out the wikia's database of Vocaloids. You can view their characters/lack of characters and get some information on the product's popularity. The wikia doesn't have every detail, but it's the best place to start if you want an overview of the 10 years of vocal synth marketing we've seen.Ok, then we may need to reconsider things. What do you suggest should be possible, beyond the normal operation of the plugin? And what would prevent users to create their own characters, based on our voices? Genuine questions here, I'm really not that familiar with this scene.
That design wasn't taken well because everyone- including Misha- knew of the design by Natasha first if im correct.. Personally I think ruby would've been marketed better in the West if the other design went through...and all the drama didnt happen. But of course I could be mistaken.I mean, remember Ruby's beta design? It wasn't that very nicely accepted, so it's kinda debatable
but in other words, the demo's for this synth is amazing!
%And that that design would be re-used but for a different character with another name and whose voice would be kinda like Eurythmic's lead singer vocal tone and wuld fit a more rockish or trance genreThat design wasn't taken well because everyone- including Misha- knew of the design by Natasha first if im correct.. Personally I think ruby would've been marketed better in the West if the other design went through...and all the drama didnt happen. But of course I could be mistaken.
Sorry, forgot that the program that's brought conventions and concerts to countries across the globe was a toy. Thanks for the reminder!Rodolphe, if you'd like your product to have success and continued success outside of a very small community that rarely supports commercial vocals outside of Vocaloid, market towards music producers. It'll benefit you in the long run to, at a certain point, start to transition to a professional, producer-oriented market and ignore the niche anime/character-centric Vocaloid/UTAU community. Emphasize that it is in fact a tool and not a toy with a face on it.
The character/design aspect matters mainly to people who won't buy the product, to be honest. This is not to say that producers wouldn't have something to say about it, it's just that it ultimate won't (and shouldn't) matter to them.
You've misconstrued what I said, and I apologize for wording my reply in a way that was confusing.Sorry, forgot that the program that's brought conventions and concerts to countries across the globe was a toy. Thanks for the reminder!
It's simple advertisement: you walk into a store, bright eye'd and bushy tailed, ready to buy your first instrument. You're more likely to go for the more eye-catching and colorful versions of that instrument vs plain wooden ones. That's how anime esque designs have worked amazing this far.
Their characters are more eye-catching than a plain human on the box, and with the quality of the product purchased, can keep the customer returning for more.
You've misconstrued what I said, and I apologize for wording my reply in a way that was confusing.
Vocaloid is indeed a professional product and non-community producers have indeed used it. Hatsune Miku and similar vocals have indeed succeeded commercially. But the anime-esque appeal isn't for many music producers outside of this community. Many non-Vocaloid community producers haven't used Vocaloid for this reason; the anime design is associated with being not serious even if it is successful, and thus there are producers who shy away from it. The program does have a reputation for at least seeming like a toy with some subpar results in some area, at least with some producers. This is just a fact, not trying to discredit some of the commercial success the Vocaloid has. If you want, I would happily explain my viewpoint more, in a DM..
Normal music producers want something that looks sleek and works. More so on the "it works." They want something that works in terms of workflow and quality. If you look at the styles of big and notable music tech companies... Image-Line, Native Instruments, Steinberg... Even smaller and successful music VST and sample groups like EchoSoundWorks and HY-Plugins... They have specific looks and feels that aid in their success and a consensus in the music producer community that they're good. It works, it feels professional, and it has the right feel for a music producer.
The character aspect works for this community, for us, because just look at the demographics. It's not strange to talk to people who are artists and specifically character designers or people who enjoy anime. That part is engrained in our demographic. Hell, we have people who make a separate design for every single voicebank that they release. Normal music producers don't vibe with that.
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