openutau invalid oto for eseph (already set encoding to utf-8)

[okapiandpaste]

I tried to do some digging on my own before I hopped on here for this oto error, but I'm not that tech savvy and have hit a wall. Initially, my eseph_colors voicebank was automatically crashing upon me setting down a single note. I've gone as far as making sure to install the voicebank directly into openutau and setting the voicebank's encoding to utf-8 to match my notepad files. This has allowed me to set down multiple notes and even see the phonetic UI pop-up, albeit with all the text being glitchy/overlapping, but it will freeze if I try to play it. Ironically, the singer error report is exactly the same as it was before I made this progress, so I'm stumped. This is what the error report looks like:


I've heard talk of renaming the otos and a "vlabeler", but I still haven't fully grasped what an oto is and wouldn't know the significance of that process or how to go about it. I probably should've started with a simpler monolingual utau with less appends since I'm a newbie, but I really do like eseph's english voice, so any help would be appreciated! (Also yes, I did set my preference to CLASSIC instead of WORLDLINE-R. Although the resampler is still worldline. I'm confused...)

 

[KukkiKat]

an oto is essentially how the program reads your banks samples and vlabeler is another program that allows you to oto and label your bank easily, especially if you have multiple pitches

to use classic, you have to install a resampler or else it’ll default to WORLDLINE because there’s nothing else installed!

i’m unsure why you’re getting this error, what program did you oto your bank with and how does it look?

 

[DelphicVoiceAddragh]

I can't find any issues in the voicebank that would stop it from working. Do the individual appends that were also installed work, or do those freeze OU too?

RE: otos and Worldline: An oto.ini is the configuration file for a voicebank that tells the resampler how to use the audio files. Unless you downloaded a different version of eseph to me, the oto.ini files should be able to load properly.
WORLDLINE-R and Worldline are two different things. WORLDLINE-R is made specifically for OU and has features that only work on OU. Worldline is basically an OG UTAU version of WORLDLINE-R without the OU-specific bells and whistles. By default, OU switches to Worldline when switching to Classic mode, but you can switch to a different resampler by clicking the gear icon on the track.

 

[okapiandpaste]

an oto is essentially how the program reads your banks samples and vlabeler is another program that allows you to oto and label your bank easily, especially if you have multiple pitches

to use classic, you have to install a resampler or else it’ll default to WORLDLINE because there’s nothing else installed!

i’m unsure why you’re getting this error, what program did you oto your bank with and how does it look?

When I downloaded the package from the link provided by the Utau Wiki, there were already oto files for each of the appends. Is it better to get a program to oto myself? Regardless, I figured out the issue due to another comment (Loading up a single append instead of the whole pack makes openutau confused) ^_^

Thankfully, eseph is optimized for WORLDLINE so I’ll just stick to that for now. I’ll make sure to remember I have to get a new sampler if I want to use classic in the future, though! Ty for explaining.

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I can't find any issues in the voicebank that would stop it from working. Do the individual appends that were also installed work, or do those freeze OU too?

RE: otos and Worldline: An oto.ini is the configuration file for a voicebank that tells the resampler how to use the audio files. Unless you downloaded a different version of eseph to me, the oto.ini files should be able to load properly.
WORLDLINE-R and Worldline are two different things. WORLDLINE-R is made specifically for OU and has features that only work on OU. Worldline is basically an OG UTAU version of WORLDLINE-R without the OU-specific bells and whistles. By default, OU switches to Worldline when switching to Classic mode, but you can switch to a different resampler by clicking the gear icon on the track.

So, apparently the appends just don’t seem to run invidually and I’ve been trying to do that this whole time! Once I set the singer as the complete english pack it works just fine, and the UI stopped looking glitchy. I’ll just have to figure out how to switch between the appends from there. Worldline seems to be the appropriate way to run this particular voicebank, so I’m all set to go, ty.

 

[DelphicVoiceAddragh]

When I downloaded the package from the link provided by the Utau Wiki, there were already oto files for each of the appends. Is it better to get a program to oto myself? Regardless, I figured out the issue due to another comment (Loading up a single append instead of the whole pack makes openutau confused) ^_^

Thankfully, eseph is optimized for WORLDLINE so I’ll just stick to that for now. I’ll make sure to remember I have to get a new sampler if I want to use classic in the future, though! Ty for explaining.

Post automatically merged: Jan 15, 2025

So, apparently the appends just don’t seem to run invidually and I’ve been trying to do that this whole time! Once I set the singer as the complete english pack it works just fine, and the UI stopped looking glitchy. I’ll just have to figure out how to switch between the appends from there. Worldline seems to be the appropriate way to run this particular voicebank, so I’m all set to go, ty.

Unless you plan on making modifications to the oto.ini files (or want to make your own voicebank), I'd say don't worry about oto'ing.

What a strange problem. At least you managed to figure it out! You can switch between the appends by using the Voice Color expression in the bottom section of the track window.

 

[SunnyWolves]

Off topic, but I'd recommend running another resampler other than Worldline. Resamplers like f2resamp, tips, or moresampler are way better for most voicebanks.

 

[dead_byte]

Hello! I'm eseph's developer! I just saw this - Lemme see if I can help.

First off, I'd actually recommend using a classic UTAU resampler for the time being. While he was originally designed with WORLDLINER and worldline in mind ( particularly in that his .frq files were tested to make sure they sound good in it, whereas a lot of voicebanks don’t really mesh with them very well ), more recent iterations of of WORLDLINER and worldline are very prone to crashing inexplicably, especially with particularly large voicebanks, voicebanks with large dictionaries, or any .ust which requires any kind of advanced tuning. It's been a bit of a known problem, so until it's resolved, I'd recommend a regular UTAU resampler. Personally, I'd recommend doppeltler instead. You can usually find it here http://utau2008.xrea.jp/2020/engine/ , however, it appears to be down for the time being, so I'll attach a copy of it here with this post so you can download it.
If you don't know how to add a new resampler into OpenUtau, don't worry, it's pretty easy. First, find where you have OpenUtau installed. If you're not sure where that is, right-click your OpenUtau desktop icon or start menu icon, and click "Open File Location". There should be a folder called "Resamplers". Just unzip the doppeltler .zip file into that folder, and that should do it. From there, in OpenUtau, when you select the "Classic" renderer on your track, click the gear icon, and then in the new tab that opens, click the drop-down menu that says "Resampler" that probably has "worldline" selected by default. Click the dropdown menu, and select "doppeltler". And that should do it. If you're unsure whether to pick doppeltler32 or doppeltler64, you probably want doppeltler64, since doppeltler32 is meant for moslty older 32-bit computers. Hope that helps!


Secondly, OpenUtau's error checker doesn't really like eseph's voicebanks all that much, English in particular - not because of actual errors though. To put it in the most simple way I can, the formatting of his oto.ini files are a little different from most UTAU voicebanks ( specifically in that a lot of the filename entries in the oto.ini are filepaths instead of just filenames of files in the same folder as the oto.ini file. ), particularly to enable ARPAsing Assistant in vanilla UTAU, and also so that you can use each of eseph's Voice Colors as an individual voicebank if you so choose. This format is functional in OpenUtau, the error checker just doesn't like it, so it gives you a bunch of errors because it's atypical. Basically, it's just a weird quirk that doesn't actually mean anything, and the voicebank should be functional.

TL;DR, the error checker flags a bunch of false positives because eseph's voicebank structure is a bit unusual, and basically, said errors shouldn't be causing the crashes you're experiencing. Rather, they're likely just from WORLDLINER/worldline being stubborn and refusing to cooporate.