What is the best CV reclist?

[Aali]

I see so many CV reclists and some has more sounds than others. Which one is the best to use?

 

[CarrotJuice]

its not to important what you use it just depends on if you want it to have some extra language capabilities but a basic cv list is usually fine and will work with most usts and really if you wanna do extra languages its better to use cvvc or vcv-vc so yeah...i really dont pay much attention to my cv banks and i recorded my cv bank in 5-mora so otoing was easyer and i could cover everything in 22(ish) sounds >_<

 

[WretchedKalamity]

I don't have any specifics, but the more extras the better in my opinion, when a reclist has better diversity, it can be used for more things- such as even english capabilities (very little but some) I have a massive cv reclist in my files if you would like it.

 

[✧ Elfrida ✧]

So long as you don't use an extremely basic reclist, your bank should work for virtually all Japanese usts. If you want extra language support then you'll definitely need a list with many extras (including american r's and l's, trilled r's, th samples, obsolete japanese sounds that sound well with other languages, maybe extra vowels) But if you plan on going that route, unless your oto is done extremely well, then I'd recommend you not do multilingual with CV.

 

[na4a4a]

for simplicity and the best all-round list I suggest you use the one that comes with OREMO.
it's good enough and has all the sounds a Japanese bank would ever use.

 

[수연 <Suyeon>]

What JeremyB796 said. Oremo has all the sounds needed for Japanese as well as extras (though those extras are only really good for some Korean compatibility).

As long as the list has
a i u e o
n
ya yu yo (ye is optional)
wa wo (wi and we are optional)
and the needed consonants
b, ch, d, f, g, h, j, m, n, p, r, s, sh, t, v, z

then it's good enough for Japanese CV.

 

[Cdra]

As far as I see it, a very plain CV list is preferable. All those extra samples will practically never be used -- the only extra samples I'd advocate adding are v, l, and those to fill in the ones Japanese doesn't actually use (hu, tu, si, wi, ye, those sorts of things). Those can be nice for a little pronunciation diversity from time to time. Indeed, attempting to use a CV bank for languages other than is terribly ill-advised in most cases, so all those language additions are mostly just more work for you to oto and they won't really do you much good.

Personally, I would advocate recording CV with rentan samples -- which is to say, recording in strings -- once you're somewhat used to the recording process. This is because sample pronunciation varies somewhat in the middle of a string as versus at the beginning, and your samples will mostly be used in the middle of other notes... but, at that point, you should really just make a CVVC Japanese bank.

 

[shinami]

No one has mentioned CY_ samples? I know some people consider then optional but I have found them to appear in enough USTs that I consider them necessary. Once a UST had a "gyu" syllable but the UTAU I was working with didn't have "gyu" so oh well, I couldn't use them.

Here's the consonants I do every time when I record:

b, by, ch, d, f, g, gy, h, hy, j, k, ky, m, my, n, ny, p, py, r, ry, s, sh, t, ts, w, y, z

And incredibly useful extra consonants that I always record are:

l (English l), rr (English R), v

I would say the only other extra sample that might be useful that I don't do is "th" sounds, it does sound silly using Z and D for that and those english words do pop up in songs quite a bit. What I also do with my list because I tend to record VCV is just record each consonant with every vowel, though that really isn't necessary sometimes (you are never going to use tsi or tse, but things like tu, si, ye, fe, wi and so on can come in handy at times and I'm disappointed when voices don't have them actually).

But yeah, I'd stick to all necessary Japanese sounds and just a few extra things, don't go crazy with adding extra consonants because they'll never be used quite honestly and it just serves to clutter the bank.

 

[수연 <Suyeon>]

No one has mentioned CY_ samples?

I didn't state them explicitly, but I did state them (the OP when searching for a CV Japanese reclist will find them included anyway). I listed the vowels/blends required first before stating the consonants that will more than likely be found.

@Aali

I don't know if you're still searching, but this is technically all you need for a Japanese CV bank:

Spoiler: Basic Japanese CV Reclist

a i u e o n
ya yu yo
wa wo
ka ki ku ke ko
kya kyu kyo
ga gi gu ge go
gya gyu gyo
sa shi su se so
sha shu she sho
ta chi tsu te to
da ji zu de do
cha chu che cho
ja ju je jo
za ze zo
na ni nu ne no
nya nyu nyo
ha hi fu he ho
hya hyu hyo
ba bi bu be bo
bya byu byo
pa pi pu pe po
pya pyu pyo
ma mi mu me mo
mya myu myo
ra ri ru re ro
rya ryu ryo

Spoiler: Extras that actually get used fairly regularly

ye
wi we
si
zi
ti tu
di du
fa fi fe fo
va vi vu ve vo

Spoiler: Nice to have

stand alone breath sounds
m
l
VV transitions

Spoiler: Don't bother

CV English
any 'ye' blends (the only use these have is for maybe a Japanese bank covering Korean songs)
tsa tsi tse tso (I can't think of any use for these unless you have soft s sounds and need the emphasis)

 

[Cdra]

No one has mentioned CY_ samples? I know some people consider then optional but I have found them to appear in enough USTs that I consider them necessary. Once a UST had a "gyu" syllable but the UTAU I was working with didn't have "gyu" so oh well, I couldn't use them.

They are most certainly not optional, indeed. They're real sounds in Japanese, so they must be included in banks -- that is, the ya/yu/yo blends. "Yi" blends are impossible to pronounce and also useless; "ye" blends are completely optional sense they don't really exist, but might be useful for something at some point. Blends between another consonant and "w", on the other hand, while oddly common in CV banks, are basically pointless as they don't actually exist in Japanese.

 

[shinami]

Oh thanks Cdra for mentioning that not about yi blends being impossible to pronounce and don't do them (in VCV you do "kya kya ki kya kyu kye kya" for instance) didn't think to mention that. And also on the w blends. I wonder why on earth that became a CV thing anways, I do recall seeing that everywhere. XD

 

[Aali]

Thanks everyone, I guess I should of mentioned that I also hope to do some engrish songs as well

 

[Kiyoteru]

It's not CV nor is it exclusively meant for Japanese, but the currently released version of the LEXYS Reclist is well suited for "engrish".