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What's The Best/Worst Vocal Synth Program You've Used And Why?

Mari_Noodlez

Teto's Territory
I know this is mainly an UTAU discussion page but since there are some Vocaloid, SynthV, Cevio, etc. users on here, i want to hear some tales about the best or worst programs/software out there that you may have dabbled with.

They can be mainstream or really underground. free to use, subscription based, or cost a buttload of money it doesn't matter! Just share some rants about programs and if you think they're worth it and that others should try them!! Talk about anything related to the program like voicebank range, UI, tools or just something that hooked you the most!

(Plz don't start fights if someone absolutely despises a program you love. keep it civil yall^^)
 
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bloby_lobby

Momo's Minion
I know this is mainly an UTAU discussion page but since there are some Vocaloid, SynthV, Cevio, etc. users on here, i want to hear some tales about the best or worst programs/software out there that you may have dabbled with.

They can be mainstream or really underground. free to use, subscription based, or cost a buttload of money it doesn't matter! Just share some rants about programs and if you think they're worth it and that others should try them!! Talk about anything related to the program like voicebank range, UI, tools or just something that hooked you the most!

(Plz don't start fights if someone absolutely despises a program you love. keep it civil yall^^)
okay ima cause fire but, vocaloid.
working with english voicebanks are supa difficult ughh, heck, even cevio is easier!!
also, THE PITCHBENDING
this is why I use synthv for tuning,
I don't know how to do It, it's so difficult,
The fact that working with languages Is hard too,
in cevio, just type the language and It says the phonemes right, openutau kind of,
I HAVE TO BUY SEPERATE VOICEBANKS GRRRRR
ok I'm done
 

heynotloid

Momo's Minion
okay ima cause fire but, vocaloid.
working with english voicebanks are supa difficult ughh, heck, even cevio is easier!!
also, THE PITCHBENDING
this is why I use synthv for tuning,
I don't know how to do It, it's so difficult,
The fact that working with languages Is hard too,
in cevio, just type the language and It says the phonemes right, openutau kind of,
I HAVE TO BUY SEPERATE VOICEBANKS GRRRRR
ok I'm done
VOCALOID pitchblending is the WORST thing of all vsynths
 

dead_byte

Teto's Territory
As far as commercial synths go, VOCALOID6.


I already had a low opinion of VOCALOID5, given that

- V5 suddenly introduced long loading times, somehow. And any little change will cause a whole track to reload from scratch.

- It also had significant compatibility issues with some PCs.

- The interface is glitchy and has a bunch of stupid little bugs I always run into that make it a nightmare to use

- It pointlessly removed key features, such as custom dictionaries and XSY ( rendering some voicebanks unable to use their main gimmick ( Megpoid V4 ), making them significantly harder to use ( Megpoid English ), and even making some voicebanks that they STILL SELL completely useless ( ARSloid’s “Extension Voicebanks” ) ).

- The only benefits it added were some new/slightly improved parameters, a few mixing effects built-in, and Attack/Release effects. The latter two also completely suck.



Then VOCALOID6 came around, and made these issues much worse.

- VOCALOID6 voicebanks are EXTREMELY inflexible and can’t use ANY of the parameters that previous generations could ( V6 does have a Gender Parameter now, but it took a FULL YEAR for them to implement one as BASIC as that ). What’s worse is that they HAVE parameters they can add into V6 ( from Beta Studio ), and they just don’t feel like it.

- Long loading times are here to stay.

- Compatibility issues are even worse now.

- V6 has most of the same bugs as V5 had, and now adds even MORE.

- Key features still missing. Some made even worse now given that XLS is now a thing - which, while XLS is a net positive overall… why is the lyric input LIKE THAT??? To say nothing of the fact that they’re STILL releasing voicebanks that would benefit from an XSY-like feature or vocal modes ( Otomachi Una V6, Galaco V6, AI Megpoid and Megpoid SOLID, etc. ), and they just don’t care in spite of multiple third-party devs complaining about it ( not the least of which being Internet Co., who I’d wager is Yamaha’s main cash cow for the time being ). Mind you they ALREADY HAVE these features in previous VOCALOID generations AND in Beta Studio???

- Who designed this UI?? One of the few things that V5 did decently well was make a UI that was more aesthetically pleasing, and ( arguably ) more friendly to navigate for non-VOCALOID users. With V6, I can never find anything I need.



And as if all that weren’t bad enough, most V6’s that have had previous VOCALOID releases just sound like their older VOCALOID voicebanks, but with heavier engine noise, and significantly less flexibility. I’d argue that without XLS and VOCALOChanger, they are genuinely WORSE versions of their previous counterparts.

Like, I don’t understand how given that V5 was basically dormant for the entirety of its existence, what Yamaha was even doing during all that time that allowed VOCALOID6 to be so utterly lacking. VOCALOID6 basically made me completely lose faith in the integrity of VOCALOID and Yamaha as a whole in their ability to make decisions that aren’t either completely anti-consumer, or just plain stupid.

AND it’s significantly more expensive than its much better competitors. Even WITH the default vocals.



Take Ci-Chan’s and Uge’s “Starter Packs”, which only contains Ci-Chan or Uge respectively, and the V6 editor, with none of the default Yamaha vocals. This is currently the cheapest way to purchase the VOCALOID editor in any way without looking secondhand.

Ci-Chan and Uge are about $90 USD, which on its own, is already about $20-$40 more than the majority of SynthV1 voicebanks, give or take. The Starter Pack is around $198USD. Subtract the price of $90, and you get the editor being valued at around $108 if it were to be sold completely on its own, which is almost twice the amount that the SynthV(1) Pro editor is sold for. Even moreso is you use this same equation with other Starter Packs, such as AI Megpoid.

As if that weren’t enough, buying the SynthV Pro editor also allows you to use Mai, who is completely free with the purchase of the Pro editor. To say nothing of the Feature-Limited Trial libraries, or lite voicebanks.

And then there’s SV2, which is over 50% more expensive than SV1, and is STILL cheaper than V6.

So to recap

SynthV(1) - $60 USD + comes with a free vocal

SynthV2 - $100 USD + comes with a free vocal you get to choose between 3 like a starter Pokemon.

VOCALOID6 - Hypothetically, $108-$119 standalone. Can’t be purchased without a voicebank, which adds to the price; the lowest option being $198.


It’s not a value thing like some claim, V6 is just terrible.
 
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SaKe

Teto's Territory
Vocaloid 6 is the WOOOOORST.
It's just not worth the money. 100 bucks for a single mediocre voice with no expression and only support for English, Japanese and VERY scuffed-sounding Chinese? For comparison, Synthesizer V voicebanks are 70 tops and have more languages, features, and just sound better. The only reason why I ever use Vocaloid 6 over 4 is the phoneme editor.
Besides that, NNSVS. It doesn't have a GUI so setting it up is horrendous and the results are... okay, to say the least. Not worth it, especially when you cannot find ANY tutorials online. La La Voice looks like a nightmare, too, but maybe just because I hate sheet music.

In terms of the BEST, Synthesizer V EASILY. It's so intuitive and everything is like second nature to me. Also, unlike the V6 Yamaha vocals, the Dreamtonics voices are actually great. It's also pretty cool that it supports Spanish and Cantonese. I wish there were more Cantonese UTAU voicebanks. OpenUTAU is second, of course.
 

SunnyWolves

Ruko's Ruffians
Defender of Defoko
Best AI: Synthv. I like to use realistic vocals and find it convenient to use.
Worst AI: AISingers. Only one language with very poor quality.

Best sample based: UTAU. Infinite vocals and high quality resamplers. I prefer the original 2008 version as I've found OpenUTAU to occasionally be buggy or sound worse and I don't like how it auto sets the B flag to 0.
Worst sample based: SynthV Studio Standard. Somehow made them sound worse than the R1 releases. The resampler is very weird sounding and the vocals all come out sounding unclear.

Of course, this is all just my opinion as someone who prefers the sound of more realistic voicebanks with a degree of stylization.
I don't hate Vocaloid6, although I haven't used it. It has a unique robotic and distant sound that I feel could work well in some genres, but is hard to make work on others. In my personal tier list however, V6 would be near the bottom.
 

heynotloid

Momo's Minion
Best AI: Synthv. I like to use realistic vocals and find it convenient to use.
Worst AI: AISingers. Only one language with very poor quality.

Best sample based: UTAU. Infinite vocals and high quality resamplers. I prefer the original 2008 version as I've found OpenUTAU to occasionally be buggy or sound worse and I don't like how it auto sets the B flag to 0.
Worst sample based: SynthV Studio Standard. Somehow made them sound worse than the R1 releases. The resampler is very weird sounding and the vocals all come out sounding unclear.

Of course, this is all just my opinion as someone who prefers the sound of more realistic voicebanks with a degree of stylization.
I don't hate Vocaloid6, although I haven't used it. It has a unique robotic and distant sound that I feel could work well in some genres, but is hard to make work on others. In my personal tier list however, V6 would be near the bottom.
what is the "og version"?
 

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