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I made my own reclist, and in hindsight, it looks a lot like Delta reclist CVVC number 7. We use the same alias, which is X-SAMPA. You can use https://tophonetics.com to translate English words to X-SAMPA. I do not like CZ's VCCV because it is not non-native friendly. It is hard to know how to make the ust of the English words. While X-SAMPA is based on the IPA, the international phonetic alphabet, which is what the academic world and professional linguists use. Arpabet (The alphabet in Arpasing) is also academically used, but it is more specific to English and has fewer sound expressions. It is easy to find the equivalence of Arpabet to X-SAMPA though.
The difference between my reclist and Delta reclist is that my reclist is even more cut down. My reclist has no diphthongs and consonant clusters. I also only use the 10 vowels. In Delta there are 14 vowels, I don't have these 4 vowels: v+ (V), u+ (U), 3, and ju. And lastly, I only oto the CV parts. I'm not a native speaker, the reason why my reclist is so minimal is just because it is hard for me to pronounce them.
Here are some samples:
Lose Somebody by Kygo, OneRepublic
You'll Always Find Your Way Back Home by Miley Cyrus
You Belong with Me by Taylor Swift
I do not use BGM when recording, because it makes me feel rushed and I'll fail to pronounce correctly. If you are using the Delta reclist you'll find lines like this:
_a_pa_sa_ta_da-
To record this line, I suggest you to read it continuously as:
appassattadda
Then you can oto CV and VC (ap, pa, as, sa, and so on).
I manually oto them using setParam. I think the basic rules are just fine. I oto them like this, say you want to oto sa, when zoomed in, it'll look like this:
sssaaa
s|s|s|a|a|a
From left to right, the lines are left blank / offset, overlap, pre-utterance, consonant, and right blank / cutoff. For stop consonants like p, t, k, b, d, g, ts+ (tS), and dz+ (dZ), the offset and overlap will be close to the pre-utterance. Like this:
taaa
|||t|a|a|a
And for the VC, you just reverse the order:
aaasss
a|a|a|s|s|s
aaat
a|a|a|t||
I like Utau because it has more plugin support, and what I like the most in OpenUtau is that I can modify the overlap and preutterance of the notes directly without going to the properties. If Utau has this feature, I'll definitely recommend Utau to you.
The difference between my reclist and Delta reclist is that my reclist is even more cut down. My reclist has no diphthongs and consonant clusters. I also only use the 10 vowels. In Delta there are 14 vowels, I don't have these 4 vowels: v+ (V), u+ (U), 3, and ju. And lastly, I only oto the CV parts. I'm not a native speaker, the reason why my reclist is so minimal is just because it is hard for me to pronounce them.
Here are some samples:
Lose Somebody by Kygo, OneRepublic
You'll Always Find Your Way Back Home by Miley Cyrus
You Belong with Me by Taylor Swift
I do not use BGM when recording, because it makes me feel rushed and I'll fail to pronounce correctly. If you are using the Delta reclist you'll find lines like this:
_a_pa_sa_ta_da-
To record this line, I suggest you to read it continuously as:
appassattadda
Then you can oto CV and VC (ap, pa, as, sa, and so on).
I manually oto them using setParam. I think the basic rules are just fine. I oto them like this, say you want to oto sa, when zoomed in, it'll look like this:
sssaaa
s|s|s|a|a|a
From left to right, the lines are left blank / offset, overlap, pre-utterance, consonant, and right blank / cutoff. For stop consonants like p, t, k, b, d, g, ts+ (tS), and dz+ (dZ), the offset and overlap will be close to the pre-utterance. Like this:
taaa
|||t|a|a|a
And for the VC, you just reverse the order:
aaasss
a|a|a|s|s|s
aaat
a|a|a|t||
I like Utau because it has more plugin support, and what I like the most in OpenUtau is that I can modify the overlap and preutterance of the notes directly without going to the properties. If Utau has this feature, I'll definitely recommend Utau to you.
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(I will try my best to help!)
There is an efficient VCV reclist available here on the forum which removes redundant and uncommon sounds:
utaforum.net
This is the only CVVC resource I know of (I'm sorry!):
web.archive.org
Tutorial for configuring CVVC (you'll have to use Google Translate):
web.archive.org
I'm not too familiar with making English voice banks, but here are some reclists for Arpasing:
utaforum.net
Here is a tutorial for configuring an Arpasing voice bank. Even if you use Moresampler, you will have to adjust the oto to make it sound smoother:
(Scroll down for tutorial)
https://arpasing.neocities.org/en/resources/vb-creation.html
VCCV English resource:
A built in romaji to hiragana converter,
Phonemizers for different languages (like Arpasing English),
Multiple tracks,
(and more!)
At the moment, OpenUTAU does not have a way to oto voice banks, so you will have to use UTAU or SetParam.
I hope this helps in some way!
In my opinion, Japanese CVVC is quicker to record, but it takes more work to oto. VCV takes longer to record, but it's easier to oto.
There is an efficient VCV reclist available here on the forum which removes redundant and uncommon sounds:
Single Reclist - No Nonsense Japanese VCV
This @reclist is optimized for the Japanese language. This is intended to be thought of as an improvement over Ritsu or Ruko's lists which include... redundancy uncommon/largely unused sounds inflexibility This reclist eliminates all...
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This is the only CVVC resource I know of (I'm sorry!):
CVVC音源作成ガイドライン：デルタ@きみがためのブロマガ
CVVC収録ガイドライン CVVCの特徴 CVVC音源のメリット 単独音より滑らかに歌う 単独音として使うこともできる → 単独音と同...
Tutorial for configuring CVVC (you'll have to use Google Translate):
CVVCの原音設定講座：デルタ@きみがためのブロマガ
まえがき この記事ではUTAU向けCVVC音源の原音設定方法を解説します． 収録方法，録音リスト，調声方法などのCVVCのその他の...
I'm not too familiar with making English voice banks, but here are some reclists for Arpasing:
OREMO Recording Package - ARPAsing Reclist Directory
To submit your reclist to this directory, please fill out this form. https://arpasing.tubs.wtf/en/directories/reclists
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(Scroll down for tutorial)
https://arpasing.neocities.org/en/resources/vb-creation.html
VCCV English resource:
CORE American English VCCV
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OpenUTAU contains a few quality-of-life features, like:
A built in romaji to hiragana converter,
Phonemizers for different languages (like Arpasing English),
Multiple tracks,
(and more!)
At the moment, OpenUTAU does not have a way to oto voice banks, so you will have to use UTAU or SetParam.
I hope this helps in some way!
You're welcome ♪(´▽｀)Thank you both for the help! All of this was very useful and I'm very grateful for it. I will take all of this into consideration.