Common mistakes people do in the UTAU fandom

[❤️PuririnLuka❤️]

I don't know if this is the correct thread t post this on but hey it's worth a shot
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Please keep in mind i'm not attacking anyone nor am I going to attack the whole community, this is MY opinion.

Mostly when I see youtube videos on UTAU's that sound off key or they are barely understandable
In the comments they still say it's good and amazing, I mean yeah they are supporting them but not alot.
They are not telling that person their mistakes on their cover and just tend to sugar coat it. Why?
I'm not trying to get more attention to myself nor anything, I admit it I used to sugar coat peoples covers all the time,
I also used to be one of those people with the UTAU's off key, But wouldn't it be better if someone told us our mistakes than having them tell us a lie?

I'm so sorry about this, but I had to speak up, Sugar coating ain't always bad, but at point's you have to be honest and tell them whats wrong so they won't repeat the same mistake.

Now for those people whom ask for opinions.
SOME people ask for opinions on their UTAU but once someone leaves something negative about it, such as the voice bank is low quality work on it, or OTO is bad. That person whom asked for the opinion will get defensive and will sometimes talk shit on how your wrong, or sometimes will block you. I have seen many of these fights in the community. Look if your going to ask for an opinion or how others think about your UTAU, PLEASE take these words as advice, they will help you alot. It helped me when I asked people's opinion on my UTAU Kisaragi Mizuki, at first her OTO was bad and people kept telling me how bad her OTO is, I took these words in consideration and had someone fix Mizuki's OTO (thanks ryan ^w^). If you take peoples advice, it will help you improve on your UTAU alot. Please don't start fights nor start other stuff.

Anyone remembers that one epidemic that the UTAU community had on 2014 when Everyone was leaving for some strange reason?
It's because mostly SOME people were childish enough to start fights, I was about to quit UTAU, because people wants to get popular and forgets how fun it is to create and use an UTAU. Why so suddenly UTAU has become a war of the voices? Why do we all compete to be popular? Is it because we wan't our UTAU's to become vocaloids? Or we want our UTAU's to be used by famous Producers? Well there's a whole lot more reasons why, but again I am glad that we are gaining back the UTAU fandom back.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS ARE MY OPINIONS I'M NOT ATTACKING ANYONE XP

 

[Agatechlo]

We learn best from our mistakes. If one is told their work is good (no mistakes) instead of pointing out the mistakes, that is worse than not saying anything at all because

1. They learn nothing since they don't see their mistakes.
2. They get a false sense that they can make works that are better than they really are. Eventually reality catches up: others will tell them their songs are bad, & at that point the artist will be more likely to take the criticism wrongly, or just not accept it.

 

[❤️PuririnLuka❤️]

We learn best from our mistakes. If one is told their work is good (no mistakes) instead of pointing out the mistakes, that is worse than not saying anything at all because

1. They learn nothing since they don't see their mistakes.
2. They get a false sense that they can make works that are better than they really are. Eventually reality catches up: others will tell them their songs are bad, & at that point the artist will be more likely to take the criticism wrongly, or just not accept it.

I actually liked the way you putted it ^^ it is actually more understanding than what I said

 

[Oda Hikaru]

Your post is incredibly good. Really. I get really stressed when I ask for opinions about a cover and just one of them tell me it's bad. I'd like to have everyone telling me my mistakes not just saying it's good. I really want to make my UTAU sound good. I want to improve so bad. That's why I get really mad at my friends who don't point me my problems.

 

[S a l t]

Also keep in mind just saying something is bad is useless information. Elaborate on what's bad and maybe give advice on how to fix it. : )

 

[Rakuei]

I think a lot of the utau popularity complex is ego. You make something, and you want people to tell you it's good, but you also want criticism. But it's something YOU made, so you're naturally going to be proud of it. And I think EVERYONE wants their creations to shine in the brightest light possible. Some just......take it to the extreme? XD

 

[Corben69Max]

I agree on what everyone says. Some other things I like to point out are how....what's the word...it's like a combination of ignorance/rude/lack of diverse?? Anyway, this is implied to users that just ignore the majority of newcomers/juniors of utau users and most of their work. I remember how some newcomers had really nice vb from the bat on their own and had good talent, but they were ignored because they weren't popular, this implies to the majority of users.

It gets on my nerves because yea, Meiji/Ryan/Matsyupopi??/Teto ext. There all great and popular, but srsly guys, your missing A LOT of talented newcomers and juniors because you refuse to listen beyond popular vbs.

Granted I don't go around commenting/crituiqing everyone vbs I see (or any at all really lol) for 3 reasons, first - most newcomers just dive in and don't even try to look at the many tutorials/tips when making a vb & using them in usts so when you go and listen to it it's just painfully obvious that they didn't put effort into it, I'm not wasting my comment when you clearly didn't try, I only comment when I hear someone actually try. Second reason was that Takeru primarily did that (who is working on a cover with his NeeNeeko btw, very slowly) and I'm not the nicest person in that area and don't have patience lol Srry, and thirdly I just feel that the flow on vb creation is just too heavy/fast coming. I guess what I mean is that every month more vbs are made (at least 50 from world wide) and they are primarily Japanese / Spanish / English. There's very little ust/midi users creating covers, very little diversity in languages, and primarily very little creativity being put into using the utau program.

This may sound mean but I just get easily bored in the utau production because it just feels like the same thing over...and over...and over...and OVER.... It's the reason why I'm not bothered with trying to make any vbs, there already a huge line up of it, so the chance of me being noticed/appreciated or anything dwindles down to 1 out of every new vb that comes up. I just feel there is plenty of vbs and maybe people should slow down.

I'm not trying to discourage or tell ppl to stop, I just think at the time being I think there's plenty of vbs being made at the moment and some more creativity could be done. :'3

 

[moonst4r]

You have to remember that the majority of the overseas community are teens. Most of them hopping from the Vocaloid fandom mayybe from the anime fandom.

UTAU is a very unique community because it depends on original characters. The people who want to create an UTAU for the sole purpose of becoming popular and expecting it to become the next Teto Kasane usually don't last long and quit. The people who ask, "How come I'm not being noticed?" when they are still new and don't even know the basics. It takes time and dedication. You will learn more as you keep working on UTAU.

Now critiquing is the main topic of this thread it seems. I'll admit one of my huge pet peeves is like you said, when people praise covers that are off-time/off-key. This does not help. Why? Because then the user will think that their cover sounds okay will just keep doing what they're doing without trying to improve. That doesn't mean you should attack them with critiques either because then they are more likely to lash out at you. Perhaps find out a particular thing you liked about the cover coupled with critiques. Your tone and how you sound is very important. Try to be friendly and treat them how you would want to be treated and it's all good. If they still don't take critiques nicely, then most likely their ego is getting in the way. They most likely won't last long. They won't improve, they'll keep wondering why they're not popular, and then eventually quit.

Remember that people are more sensitive because this is a community made up of OCs. Your UTAU is your own creation and your child. If it seems like someone is attacking them, you are more likely to fight them. This is very much different from other communities where it revolves around only certain characters. This is why you should be careful on how to approach other people's UTAUs which are their OCs.

 

[melobuniiP]

I agree with the critiques, its like that in an art community. An artist I knew, their proportion is like, WACK, and other people tried to critique,Get this. THEY WANTED CRITIQUES. Got them, got defensive.
Critiques are not sugar, spice and everything nice. It is professionally telling you which is wrong and right.
dont expect candy from a critic.

I need critiqued for my UTAU, Usagi, I already know about the OTO and the way she was voiced :')

 

[Corben69Max]

I agree with the critiques, its like that in an art community. An artist I knew, their proportion is like, WACK, and other people tried to critique,Get this. THEY WANTED CRITIQUES. Got them, got defensive.
Critiques are not sugar, spice and everything nice. It is professionally telling you which is wrong and right.
dont expect candy from a critic.

I need critiqued for my UTAU, Usagi, I already know about the OTO and the way she was voiced :')

Of topic and curious,
1- is she cv or vcv
2- have you found someone to oto. her?

 

[melobuniiP]

Of topic and curious,
1- is she cv or vcv
2- have you found someone to oto. her?

vcv
Ryan otod her

 

[abyssalCompiler]

I agree on what everyone says. Some other things I like to point out are how....what's the word...it's like a combination of ignorance/rude/lack of diverse?? Anyway, this is implied to users that just ignore the majority of newcomers/juniors of utau users and most of their work. I remember how some newcomers had really nice vb from the bat on their own and had good talent, but they were ignored because they weren't popular, this implies to the majority of users.

It gets on my nerves because yea, Meiji/Ryan/Matsyupopi??/Teto ext. There all great and popular, but srsly guys, your missing A LOT of talented newcomers and juniors because you refuse to listen beyond popular vbs.

Granted I don't go around commenting/crituiqing everyone vbs I see (or any at all really lol) for 3 reasons, first - most newcomers just dive in and don't even try to look at the many tutorials/tips when making a vb & using them in usts so when you go and listen to it it's just painfully obvious that they didn't put effort into it, I'm not wasting my comment when you clearly didn't try, I only comment when I hear someone actually try. Second reason was that Takeru primarily did that (who is working on a cover with his NeeNeeko btw, very slowly) and I'm not the nicest person in that area and don't have patience lol Srry, and thirdly I just feel that the flow on vb creation is just too heavy/fast coming. I guess what I mean is that every month more vbs are made (at least 50 from world wide) and they are primarily Japanese / Spanish / English. There's very little ust/midi users creating covers, very little diversity in languages, and primarily very little creativity being put into using the utau program.

This may sound mean but I just get easily bored in the utau production because it just feels like the same thing over...and over...and over...and OVER.... It's the reason why I'm not bothered with trying to make any vbs, there already a huge line up of it, so the chance of me being noticed/appreciated or anything dwindles down to 1 out of every new vb that comes up. I just feel there is plenty of vbs and maybe people should slow down.

I'm not trying to discourage or tell ppl to stop, I just think at the time being I think there's plenty of vbs being made at the moment and some more creativity could be done. :'3

I think what people should do is when they're creating or using an UTAU, is create it for themselves and not others. Don't try to think about what will be popular, just make whatever you want. As long as you're happy with it, that's all that really matters. If you just want to make Japanese CV, than that's fine! If you don't want to make a voicebank, that's fine too. I think if you make what you want, don't compare yourself and don't worry too much about being "noticed", you'll feel less discouraged.

Now, granted, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be receptive to constructive criticism concerning mixing, otos, art, etc, but you shouldn't feel like you have to make a VCV/CVVC multipitch voicebank.

All in all, it's a HOBBY. Hobbies should be fun things that let you forget about real life for a little bit. Don't take it too seriously.

I also think what personally drives me to do UTAU is even after four years, I still have this childlike wonder of "wow, I can record something with my voice and make it sing stuff."

There's actually quite a bit of diversity in languages, actually. Off the top of my head, there's Korean, Chinese, Spanish, German, French, Romanian, Dutch, Arabic, and Portugese reclists, and there's actually quite a few Korean and Chinese voicebanks and covers if you know where to look. As for the other languages, though, I wish I did see covers made in these languages more... (Also, where are you seeing all these Spanish voicebanks?)

 

[Corben69Max]

I think what people should do is when they're creating or using an UTAU, is create it for themselves and not others. Don't try to think about what will be popular, just make whatever you want. As long as you're happy with it, that's all that really matters. If you just want to make Japanese CV, than that's fine! If you don't want to make a voicebank, that's fine too. I think if you make what you want, don't compare yourself and don't worry too much about being "noticed", you'll feel less discouraged.

Now, granted, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be receptive to constructive criticism concerning mixing, otos, art, etc, but you shouldn't feel like you have to make a VCV/CVVC multipitch voicebank.

All in all, it's a HOBBY. Hobbies should be fun things that let you forget about real life for a little bit. Don't take it too seriously.

I also think what personally drives me to do UTAU is even after four years, I still have this childlike wonder of "wow, I can record something with my voice and make it sing stuff."

There's actually quite a bit of diversity in languages, actually. Off the top of my head, there's Korean, Chinese, Spanish, German, French, Romanian, Dutch, Arabic, and Portugese reclists, and there's actually quite a few Korean and Chinese voicebanks and covers if you know where to look. As for the other languages, though, I wish I did see covers made in these languages more... (Also, where are you seeing all these Spanish voicebanks?)

Youtube is a bit weird if you learn it's weird production release in various countries, since I live in USA (more so in the north east, which has A LOT of Spanish speaking citizen then most people would think) more utau videos that aren't very popular are more local (as in at least most videos that are shown on my search are within at MOST 2-3 states away from mine). Mat explains this much better when he explains about how youtube really works in detail (The lead GameTherorist). From what I can understand on youtube (when you log in/set you state-country-location-gps) most videos (that are not popular) are not outside of your country, so for my case, since the states near me have and equal amount of Spanish speaking citizens. Because of this it's understandable that I would find more Spanish utauloids and the like then other users away from where I am that may have a less amount of Spanish speakers in their local states. This video here explains well on what I'm trying to explain, yes the video focuses on how Game Theory: How PewDiePie Conquered The World, but it really does help in explaining on how you tube works when it comes to how youtube's video release in countries & states work . I also suggest to watch Game Theory: Yes, PewDiePie. YouTube IS Broken because this also shows how the subscribe button REALLY works and how frustrating it is when you get suddenly a lot of views and then it suddenly dies because we are not always notified that this user has made a recent vid .

So in a sense with this in mind it will also explain how/why I can't find any utauloids/utau users that are outside Asian language & English/Spanish. Since you have listed Romanian/Dutch/Arabic/Portuguese, I can assume you have actually FOUND these without help of a friend giving you a link of them, which means you may live closer to areas that may speak these languages. If not and you are in the USA then you are just REALLY LUCKY to have found it, because with all my life of using youtube and looking up hundreds of utau these past year, I have yet to find anything like the 4 languages I just suggested.