I need someone in Vietnamese or know Vietnamese

Anderson26

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Since maybe only me or many of member in this forum is Vietnamese.
I looking for a Vietnamese for too long and all link in Internet is 404!
So I wanna meet someone is Vietnamese or in Vietnamese, maybe some guy know how to make reclist in different language can help.
I need someone to make a Vietnamese reclist.
Plz
 

Animé Fan

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I'm Vietnamese-American (though not a proud one), but I've sort of forgotten most of my Vietnamese due to school. :uhm:
 

Nohkara

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Hello!

I don't speak any Vietnamese but I think that I can help you to write a simple CVVC 2-mora reclist as long as YOU can speak some Vietnamese yourself and can answer few question what I have in mind (I have made so far Finnish CVVC/VCV and few other Non-Japanese reclist, so I do have experience).

I have read an article of Vietnamese and it seems to have tones like Chinese... I think that you can ignore tones altogether and record "without tones".

At least when recordings a Chinese VB you do not record tones because

1 ) recording a VB would be too long and difficult/complicated
2 ) it's unnecessary because at least Chinese doesn't use tones while singing plus if you really need to "recreate" tones for e.g. rapping part, you can always use pitch bends to do that work in UST.
3 ) VB would be difficult to use in UTAU if VB is not recorded in "flat one note"

Please, send me a personal message for more details etc if you need any my help and advises, thanks!
 

Nohkara

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I was super bored, so I made quick notes for a Vietnamese recording list for required vowels and consonants. IDK if you find this helpful or not but I post them here anyway :v

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Anderson26

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Idk what the image mean.
But i understand some part so let's me help you.
CC/CCC: ch, gh, gi, kh, nh, ng, ph, th, tr, qu.
Ending consonant: c, ch, m, n, nh, ng, p, t
Here the website: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Vietnamese/Consonants
  • There are 17 single consonants:
Vowels Phoneme English equivalent sounds
b /ɓ/ but
c /k/ sky
d /z/ zoo (Northern)
d /j/ yes (Southern & Central)
đ /ɗ/ do
g /ɣ/ go
h /h/ hat
k /k/ sky
l /l/ long
m /m/ me
n /n/ no
p /p/ sport
q /k/ square
r /z/ zoo (Northern)
r /ɹ/ run (Southern & Central)
s /s/ stay (Northern)
s /∫/ show (Southern & Central)
t /t/ stop
v /v/ video
x /s/ see


  • There are 11 consonant digraphs:
Vowels Phoneme English equivalent sounds
ch /c/ cha-cha
gh /ɣ/ go
gi /z/ zoo (Northern)
gi /j/ yes (Southern & Central)
kh /x/ loch
nh /ɲ/ canyon
ng /ŋ/ sing
ph /f/ Philip
th /tʰ/ as in top (aspirated "t"), not as in thin
tr /c/ cha-cha (Northern)
tr /ʈʂ/ straw (Southern and Central)
qu /kw/ square (Northern)
qu /w/ world (Southern & Central)


  • There are 8 final consonants:
Vowels Phoneme English equivalent sounds
c /k/ car
ch /k/ sick (cut in the South)
m /m/ me
n /n/ no
nh /ɲ/ canyon
ng /ŋ/ sing
p /p/ ping pong
t /t/ top
 
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Animé Fan

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If an actual Vietnamese reclist comes to be, I wouldn't mind recording one for my own UTAU.
 

Nohkara

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Idk what the image mean.
But i understand some part so let's me help you.
CC/CCC: ch, gh, gi, kh, nh, ng, ph, th, tr, qu.
Ending consonant: c, ch, m, n, nh, ng, p, t
Here the website: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Vietnamese/Consonants
  • There are 17 single consonants:
Vowels Phoneme English equivalent sounds
b /ɓ/ but
c /k/ sky
d /z/ zoo (Northern)
d /j/ yes (Southern & Central)
đ /ɗ/ do
g /ɣ/ go
h /h/ hat
k /k/ sky
l /l/ long
m /m/ me
n /n/ no
p /p/ sport
q /k/ square
r /z/ zoo (Northern)
r /ɹ/ run (Southern & Central)
s /s/ stay (Northern)
s /∫/ show (Southern & Central)
t /t/ stop
v /v/ video
x /s/ see


  • There are 11 consonant digraphs:
Vowels Phoneme English equivalent sounds
ch /c/ cha-cha
gh /ɣ/ go
gi /z/ zoo (Northern)
gi /j/ yes (Southern & Central)
kh /x/ loch
nh /ɲ/ canyon
ng /ŋ/ sing
ph /f/ Philip
th /tʰ/ as in top (aspirated "t"), not as in thin
tr /c/ cha-cha (Northern)
tr /ʈʂ/ straw (Southern and Central)
qu /kw/ square (Northern)
qu /w/ world (Southern & Central)


  • There are 8 final consonants:
Vowels Phoneme English equivalent sounds
c /k/ car
ch /k/ sick (cut in the South)
m /m/ me
n /n/ no
nh /ɲ/ canyon
ng /ŋ/ sing
p /p/ ping pong
t /t/ top

Sorry for late reply! Sorry for confusing, I should explain what I written in my notes!

UTAU does not support ê ă ô ư đ etc in wav file names or in oto.ini alias, so because of that I think that using X-Sampa based encoding is the best for vowels.

I found out that Vietnamese has following vowel sounds (if you don't know what each sound are, please check here for IPA vowel chart):

X-Sampa [IPA]
a [ a ]
e [ e ]
i [ i ]
o [ o ]
u [ u ]
1 [ ɨ ]
@ [ ə ]
E [ ɛ ]
O [ ɔ ]

I recommend to record all vowel+vowel combinations like in VCV for smooth vowel sounds ("a i", "i E", "@ o" and so on)

With consonants, I think that you can use "written Vietnamese" as a base but modify it a little.

This is just my opinion but I would write [kw] sound as "kw" (not as "qu") in reclist, this is because "u" all ready symbolizes [ u ] sound. (this is just my personal taste, tho. You can disagree with this tho)

I think that I would encode đ as D (or you can use any other symbol like &, up to you).

To write reclist in "unequivocal" way, one alphabet (a), symbol (@) or symbol combination (ch) can mean only one sound, just like for example VCCV English encoding does.

"With Northern, Southern or Central pronunciation?"

I cannot give one answer to that, you can...

1) record just Northern, Southern or Central sound only. IDK which one is the most "standard" but if you record in just one only then I recommend picking a dialect that is concerned the most "standard" and/or most spoken in Vietnamese. This option will have the least recording (Vietnamese has 9 vowels already which is a huge amount)!

2) record all dialectical sound but you'll need to think how to encode each consonant carefully.

Writhing reclist:

According to the info you told, Vietnamese seems not to be very complicated language to write a reclist (if minus dialect question which I can't give a direct answer). The easiest way to write CVVC reclist is writing is like this: CV+CV(+C)

For example

"baba" as ba_ba
"cacac" as ca_ca_c

For VV part, record simply v0wel+vowel e.g.

a_a
a_i
a_u
a_e
...
and so on!

The best thing what I can add is that test, test and test! Make a quick test recording VB and see how it works. If you find that some sound(s) or sound combination is/are missing, add them and so on.
 

MillyAqualine

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Awwww, too bad I can't helpmuch =S I did have taught myself a few bit of Vietnamese pronunciation, though it's a bit difficult to me on a very few sounds ...

I don't rememeber if I've tried yet a reclist of this language... I'd need to search it back in my WiPs folder and if it's decent enough i'll share just for curiosity ;w;"' (Though Pupu's one is way better and has easier encoding / alias for the sounds than my attempts )
 
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Yanderu

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Vietnamese is confusing, I'm Vietnamese-American but not a proud one like @Animé Fan said. I have a basic incomplete CVVC Vietnamese reclist with diphthongs included. However, it still needs more research and thought put into the reclist,
-Vowels (X-Sampa)-
{, Apple
v+/V, Cut
3, Brittish nurse/Neutralized "er/ur" vowel/Son
e+/E, Bed
ei+/eI, Cape
i, bleed
o+/O, all
o, spoke/for
@, neutral Schwa Vowel
u, boom
1, -No English Variant- Pronunciation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_central_unrounded_vowel

-Non-English Dipthongs With Associated English Conssonant-
i{/y{
1{
u{/w{
iei+/ieI/yeI
1ei+/1eI
uo/wo
(Mixtures Of The Vowels Above And Consonant Counterparts)

-Weird Consonants (Non-English X-Sampa)-
x, h + w sound, like hwa
j+/J, ny

Note:
X-sampa was used in the the conversion of Vienamese phonetics for Semi-Native and Non-Native Speakers.
+ after any leter means it capitalized. Example:
String: "_t+o+_t+o+"
Oto alias(es): "- TO"O T"TO"
And right now I'm trying to shorten the list by having VV's instead because the website I used didn't list all diphthongs.

P.S. I know this is old, just wanted to give my ideas.

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Sorry for late reply! Sorry for confusing,
1) record just Northern, Southern or Central sound only. IDK which one is the most "standard" but if you record in just one only then I recommend picking a dialect that is concerned the most "standard" and/or most spoken in Vietnamese. This option will have the least recording (Vietnamese has 9 vowels already which is a huge amount)!

2) record all dialectical sound but you'll need to think how to encode each consonant carefully.

The dialect you're looking for is the Northern accent/dialect or the "Brittish Tone", this is the most common used singing dialect in Vietnamese and most Vietnamese singers do usually use this dialect.
 

Aurum79

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I know someone who knows Vietnamese as one of their native languages, but they're not tech-savvy or know about UTAU at all. I'm not sure how good their written Vietnamese is but I think it's as good as their verbal skills. Could they still be helpful to you?
 

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