Plogue Alter/Ego

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It did clarify a few tyings though:
- A/E development is stopped.
- Voxwave cares more about fan gathering and goodies than developing their voicebanks.
- TBK is deaf and don't understand how A/E is bad.
Sort of an obnoxious way to clarify....

I'm sorta laughing at the 3rd point here, is that bad
 
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Sort of an obnoxious way to clarify....

I'm sorta laughing at the 3rd point here, is that bad
You can't expect politeness with Voxwave if you are disagreeing with them, duh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And looking at her singing, I believe she's really deaf x)
 
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You can't expect politeness with Voxwave if you are disagreeing with them, duh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And looking at her singing, I believe she's really deaf x)
I have had zero interactions with Voxwave, so I really wouldn't have known what to expect.
I also didn't know she sang.
 
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Hey all, just an update.

Alter/Ego is officially announced to be ending after the release of Leora and Marie Ork (? whom is already release ?)

The reason for this is because the voice demand is to high whilst they are only a tiny workforce.
Super sad to hear this news :sad:

Official tweet can be found here : https://twitter.com/chipspeech/status/916058720513282048
So, they stop developing new voices for A/E and also no longer update the program?

I, personally, haven't used it much because I don't know how to "tune" their voices properly in GarageBand because lack of resource and such (and honestly IDK if it's possible to fine tune their voices in my program at all! I have tried to find but I haven't at all)...

Will they keep A/E the program and its voices still available to download/purchase? It would be sad if all will be gone :"0 I personally like Bones, Marie and Nata
 
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I have a feeling they'll hide access to the downloads unless you're really savvy and manage to find those hidden files. Worst case scenario, they'll nuke it all and have no way to access the program or voices in any capacity (like Daisy - if you didn't get her before she was discontinued, you're SOL).
 

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They aren't taking down the downloads. A/E isn't "dead" it's just not scheduled to release any voices right now other than Leora and Marie.

Also, don't trash TBK. I believe she's a member here and even if not, it's completely disrespectful and uncalled for.
 

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Also, don't trash TBK. I believe she's a member here and even if not, it's completely disrespectful and uncalled for.
TBK is not a member but you're right, I'm sorry about that. I'm just mad because her and Voxwave hurt my friends so I got carried away.
 
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Those who think that ALYS should perhaps return to UTAU, here is a small list of things that make me say the opposite

- Alter / Ego works on a DAW, so you can enjoy piano roll and automation options, which greatly improves tunning sometimes.
- X-Sampa = the perfect method to work and simple to learn (yep, really)
- speech synthesis engine not perfect but of a very high quality
- fast to take control, very realistic tuning if you master well
- perfect organization of different parts of the VST, different tabs and everything, very practical
- Alter / Ego can be used live, and it makes good if you have enough training
- mixing of the voice much more practical given that one is already in a DAW

That's not all, but I think the main thing is. That is my point of view, but I am not the only one to think so.

My English is not perfect, sorry. Please, be nice.
 

ChrisBullshit

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TBK is not a member but you're right, I'm sorry about that. I'm just mad because her and Voxwave hurt my friends so I got carried away.
So i've been working with those baguettes for a while (i tune for the official songs and shit) now and honestly, i'd love to see how bad PR hurt your friends, because that's pretty much all they did wrong, it's sh1tty PR.

They credit me as ChrisBullshit in the vids (which is absolutely amazing tbh) and i literally NEVER give back songs on time, i take weeks of lateness cuz i don't feel like tuning AE or shit. Yet, i am still paid the full price and i am absolutely NOT treated badly in any way conceiveable. I'm not disclosing how much i make per song (yes, i take 2 weeks to tune a song and get da paypal money right after), but i can tell you it's enough that i can buy some Pineapple Express from my "friend".

I'm not trying to like, be an ass or whatnot. But insulting TBK is absolutely uncalled for and i think you'll understand how you make absolutely no f**king sense if we look at Voxwave's behavior at a whole. The worst i could say is that ALYS is overpriced AF lmao

Now, if you'd like to share your, well, experiences (or rather, your friend's) with us, i'd actually love to hear about them, because else you're just taking an easy target like a f**king coward.
 
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So i've been working with those baguettes for a while (i tune for the official songs and shit) now and honestly, i'd love to see how bad PR hurt your friends, because that's pretty much all they did wrong, it's sh1tty PR.

They credit me as ChrisBullshit in the vids (which is absolutely amazing tbh) and i literally NEVER give back songs on time, i take weeks of lateness cuz i don't feel like tuning AE or shit. Yet, i am still paid the full price and i am absolutely NOT treated badly in any way conceiveable. I'm not disclosing how much i make per song (yes, i take 2 weeks to tune a song and get da paypal money right after), but i can tell you it's enough that i can buy some Pineapple Express from my "friend".

I'm not trying to like, be an ass or whatnot. But insulting TBK is absolutely uncalled for and i think you'll understand how you make absolutely no f**king sense if we look at Voxwave's behavior at a whole. The worst i could say is that ALYS is overpriced AF lmao

Now, if you'd like to share your, well, experiences (or rather, your friend's) with us, i'd actually love to hear about them, because else you're just taking an easy target like a f**king coward.
Hey, I appreciate your response and everything but this thread is called "Plogue/Alter Ego", not "I brag about having easy money, buying drugs, and being very butthurt because someone said bad things about Voxwave :'(".
Now, if you want, you can message me in private and insult me as much as you like! But unfortunately, I won't see it because I'd probably block you : (
 
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Hey, I appreciate your response and everything but this thread is called "Plogue/Alter Ego", not "I brag about having easy money, buying drugs, and being very butthurt because someone said bad things about Voxwave :'(".
Now, if you want, you can message me in private and insult me as much as you like! But unfortunately, I won't see it because I'd probably block you : (
I absolutely love how you make yourself up to be a victim just because i asked how Voxwave hurt your friends. I don't see where i insulted you and if you did feel insulted, honestly i'm so happy for you but that's not the point. I just asked about your supposed friend supposedly getting hurt by what is basically 3 french peeps. What i did say is, that if you're just making that up, you're a f**king coward. If the hat fits, it fits my dude what can i tell you but like, i didn't insult you nor do i want to insult you or anything of the sort. While you seem to think it's fine to insult TBK because hey let's insult the mean capitalist corporation, right komrade? :'(


(the pineapple part is my trademark and i'm triggered by ur comment)
 

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I absolutely love how you make yourself up to be a victim just because i asked how Voxwave hurt your friends. I don't see where i insulted you and if you did feel insulted, honestly i'm so happy for you but that's not the point. I just asked about your supposed friend supposedly getting hurt by what is basically 3 french peeps. What i did say is, that if you're just making that up, you're a f**king coward. If the hat fits, it fits my dude what can i tell you but like, i didn't insult you nor do i want to insult you or anything of the sort. While you seem to think it's fine to insult TBK because hey let's insult the mean capitalist corporation, right komrade? :'(


(the pineapple part is my trademark and i'm triggered by ur comment)
DUDE. I JUST SAID THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO SPEAK XD
STOP. YOU WANT MY POINT OF VIEW? TALK TO ME BUT NOT ON THIS THREAD.
I just wanted to take this conversation somewhere else because otherwise it will bother everyone. What you are talking about is not the subject of the thread.
Please listen Pinneapple man :'(
 

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ANYWAY a/e was a good vocal synth but underdeveloped. ppl seem to forget that the entire approach to vocal synth thru a/e was COMPLETELY different than the approach thru programs like utau and vocaloid. a/e was intended to be a real time, 100% integrated DAW use, vst vocal synth, where utau/vocaloid are intended to be standalone full programs. the (current) target demographics are also very different.

i wish a/e was still kept alive. if more developers worked on a/e and plogue had the money to keep it alive, it would have improved greatly and flourished. a/e had no place in the character-centric, niche community in vocaloid, tho. thats prob what kept it from succeeding as much as it should.

also @Sonianjeriku Kagamine making commercial utau vbs is 100% legal and allowed. you dont need extra permission from ameya
 

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ANYWAY a/e was a good vocal synth but underdeveloped. ppl seem to forget that the entire approach to vocal synth thru a/e was COMPLETELY different than the approach thru programs like utau and vocaloid. a/e was intended to be a real time, 100% integrated DAW use, vst vocal synth, where utau/vocaloid are intended to be standalone full programs. the (current) target demographics are also very different.

i wish a/e was still kept alive. if more developers worked on a/e and plogue had the money to keep it alive, it would have improved greatly and flourished. a/e had no place in the character-centric, niche community in vocaloid, tho. thats prob what kept it from succeeding as much as it should.

also @Sonianjeriku Kagamine making commercial utau vbs is 100% legal and allowed. you dont need extra permission from ameya
Tbh A/E wasn't expensive to keep alive, they just didn't let anyone dev.
 

ChrisBullshit

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I'm just gonna roll over here and say it's stupidly easy to make an Alter/Ego voicebank, it's actually easier than making an UTAU voicebank if perhaps a bit longer than a vccv bank would take due to some really weird things you have to do. (I was working on Vera, a new vocallective AE vocal)

They're just really stuck up about who makes voices on the platform, especially after quite the drama happened with a few, including Crusher-P at the very beginning (she voiced Daisy and well, she asked for her to be taken down seemingly out of nowhere), but i can tell you as much, right now the argument that they can't take care of it is bogus, Plogue doesn't have work to do for most voicebanks right now, they're just incredibly done (unless the voice doesn't work well on the engine, in which case just switching voice provider works well).
 

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Commercialise a UTAU is a lillte bit illegal. You need the autorisation of the creator of UTAU and that why only 100% do this with a magazine!
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Commercialized UTAU is not illegal at all. In fact, the Terms of Use say that vocal data you can do what you want with as long as you don't redistribute the program itself. So, making a vocal library (with the oto data and wav files) is actually just selling your own voice. I wouldn't be crazy enough to do 12 appends (4 pitches each) and an extra 10 pitches in three languages if I was going to make it free.
I'd hella buy an UTAU ALYS. They just gotta learn how to make the recordings and oto better than what it was in the demos b/c tbh it was eh
 
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